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You mean pulling the plug instead of shutting down normally? I suppose that'd work but usually you only realize that Windows wants to update _after_ you hit the

by Tharre 10y ago

You mean pulling the plug instead of shutting down normally? I suppose that'd work but usually you only realize that Windows wants to update _after_ you hit the shutdown button. And powering the machine down in this state will likely result in an unbootable machine. And good luck fixing that, especially if your hard-drive is encrypted.

ygra 10y ago
Windows updates fall into various categories in how they are deployed (this also causes variations in whether you need a restart or not). The overwhelming vast majority of updates nowadays are deployed in a rather safe mode where nothing on the system is changed during install until at the very end effectively a switch is made to the newly-deployed components. Those updates tend to not care very much, or at all, about sudden power loss. The next start notices there's an unfinished update and either finishes it, or rolls back and you can try again.
- Tharre 10y ago
  True, but that doesn't really help you, does it. There is no indication on the screen which kind of update is currently being deployed. So shutting down your machine is still a gamble, something you definitely don't want on a production machine. To use a car analogy: modern car's safety measures would probably protect me in case of an accident, but there is no way of being sure. So I'd rather avoid crashing into things at great cost.
BorgHunter 10y ago
What version of Windows do you use? My desktop uses the latest version of 10 (AFAIK) and the shut down button reads something like "Shut Down and Install Updates" when Windows wants to install an update. I also remember 7 having a little orange icon next to the shut down button when it was going to install an update. Granted, I don't think there's a way to properly shut down without the update in an I-have-five-minutes scenario. But it does, at least, warn you.
- roblabla 10y ago
  IIRC there is. You can log out, and then have the option to not apply the updates (you'll have Shut down or update and shut down in the poweroff menu).
  - petagonoral 10y ago
    You can shutdown without applying updates if you use 'Alt + F4' to initiate shutdown
- knd775 10y ago
  Running shutdown -s -t 0 works.
  - LoneWolf 10y ago
    Add a -f to that too, I have never seen a windows with pending updates install them with "shutdown -s -t 0 -f"
coldpie 10y ago
For what it's worth, I regularly "pull the virtual plug" on my Win10 VM during updates because fuck you it's time to go home, and I've never had it fail to boot the day after. It's obviously an unacceptable solution to the problem, but it's at least not disastrously fatal in most cases.
ocdtrekkie 10y ago
As a Windows system admin, I can confirm this is incredibly rare. Windows is pretty darn good at recovering from broken update states.
- MertsA 10y ago
  Eh, honestly compared to other operating systems it's really not. Windows 10 is starting to get there.

by Tharre 10y ago

ygra 10y ago

Windows updates fall into various categories in how they are deployed (this also causes variations in whether you need a restart or not). The overwhelming vast majority of updates nowadays are deployed in a rather safe mode where nothing on the system is changed during install until at the very end effectively a switch is made to the newly-deployed components. Those updates tend to not care very much, or at all, about sudden power loss. The next start notices there's an unfinished update and either finishes it, or rolls back and you can try again.

Tharre 10y ago
True, but that doesn't really help you, does it. There is no indication on the screen which kind of update is currently being deployed. So shutting down your machine is still a gamble, something you definitely don't want on a production machine. To use a car analogy: modern car's safety measures would probably protect me in case of an accident, but there is no way of being sure. So I'd rather avoid crashing into things at great cost.

BorgHunter 10y ago

What version of Windows do you use? My desktop uses the latest version of 10 (AFAIK) and the shut down button reads something like "Shut Down and Install Updates" when Windows wants to install an update. I also remember 7 having a little orange icon next to the shut down button when it was going to install an update. Granted, I don't think there's a way to properly shut down without the update in an I-have-five-minutes scenario. But it does, at least, warn you.

roblabla 10y ago
IIRC there is. You can log out, and then have the option to not apply the updates (you'll have Shut down or update and shut down in the poweroff menu).
- petagonoral 10y ago
  You can shutdown without applying updates if you use 'Alt + F4' to initiate shutdown
knd775 10y ago
Running shutdown -s -t 0 works.
- LoneWolf 10y ago
  Add a -f to that too, I have never seen a windows with pending updates install them with "shutdown -s -t 0 -f"

coldpie 10y ago

For what it's worth, I regularly "pull the virtual plug" on my Win10 VM during updates because fuck you it's time to go home, and I've never had it fail to boot the day after. It's obviously an unacceptable solution to the problem, but it's at least not disastrously fatal in most cases.

ocdtrekkie 10y ago

As a Windows system admin, I can confirm this is incredibly rare. Windows is pretty darn good at recovering from broken update states.

MertsA 10y ago
Eh, honestly compared to other operating systems it's really not. Windows 10 is starting to get there.