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> Russian intel dumps Has there been any evidence of this yet? I trust the government and main stream media to accurately report the geographic source of tech

• oxide 10y ago
  Haven't the Russians just recently quietly changed gears? i.e. stopped denying it and changed the rhetoric to "why does it matter who leaked it?" I doubt there is concrete, independently verified evidence, but I'm not sure how much more fishy the Kremlin could possibly be about the whole thing. I usually don't mind giving the benefit of the doubt to people, but I don't tend to feel the same way about governments.
  • imron 10y ago
    > changed the rhetoric to "why does it matter who leaked it?" No. That's been consistent with their response since the DNCLeaks.
    • oxide 10y ago
      Originally it was a flat out denial IIRC. The sudden recent mention of who cares is what raised a red flag for me, it didn't seem consistent with the original statement at all. I could be wrong, but honestly, "who cares who did it" is a fishy enough govenrment response that it's hardly any wonder the Russians are being looked at funny.
      • imron 10y ago
        What is recent? The top results for a Google search for Putin on DNC Leaks is an article from a month and a half ago (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/putin-interview-dnc-hack-227668 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/putin-interview-dnc-ha...) with Putin denying it was the Russians and also saying does it matter who did it. I recall similar news from when the DNC leaks broke and people were blaming Russia then too.
        • oxide 10y ago
          Fair enough.
• DominikR 10y ago
  No there is no evidence released so he wont be able to point to anything. He just believes that whatever the government puts out is 100% the truth. The type of citizen that Goebbels would have loved.
• cookiecaper 10y ago
  There is no hard evidence that Russia is involved. Representatives of well-known internet security firms have stated that they believe the attack comes from the Russian government, but have nothing to provide other than their professional opinion (which is not based on specific data afaik). The Russia myth comes from everyone repeating each other and pretending like it's fact. I don't really think Americans think of Russia as the big boogeyman anymore so that whole propaganda spiel is of dubious advisability.
  • maxerickson 10y ago
    It's not just company reps, the US government issued a statement to the effect: https://www.dhs.gov/node/23199 https://www.dhs.gov/node/23199
    • cookiecaper 10y ago
      Yeah, the unifying theory here is that they're all taking orders from the administration and pushing the baseless narrative that Russia is the source of everything anti-Clinton to try to discredit all of the dirt that's out there on her. It's no surprise that the government is following its own orders. I think they also do this because they don't want people to know how simple it is to conduct this kind of cyberattack. If they tell everyone you have to have your own KGB to do it, there will be less people looking into it. I believe this same strategy is why North Korea was blamed for the Sony Pictures leak.
      • maxerickson 10y ago
        We very quickly went from Representatives of well-known internet security firms have stated that they believe the attack comes from the Russian government, but have nothing to provide other than their professional opinion to a giant, airtight conspiracy.
    • alva 10y ago
      Read the statement very carefully. At no point do they actually say, or directly suggest that Russia is behind the Podesta and DNC leaks. The media and some politicians are full force memeing this, saying USG blames Russia for the hack and leaks. The statement does not say this in the slightest.