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[citation needed] Please provide evidence that the leaks are from Russia. Also, many people care a lot about Assange. Millions of people care about Assange an

by gragas 10y ago

[citation needed] Please provide evidence that the leaks are from Russia. Also, many people care a lot about Assange. Millions of people care about Assange and WikiLeaks. It is absolutely absurd (and almost un-humanitarian) to try to downplay the work that he has done.

lyschoening 10y ago
U.S. intelligence services and the Obama administration have explicitly accused Russia of the leaks and assessed that this must have been orchestrated from high in the Russian government. That's a pretty bold statement in politics. Of course we can point to cases where U.S. administrations have lied, but it still should count as evidence, at least on a probabilistic level. Also, regarding Assange, I believe evgen meant to say that the administration was happy with where he was holed up until he started stirring up the pot.
- varjag 10y ago
  Also note that the U.S. government did not implicate any foreign governments in cases of cablegate or NSA leaks, and these were as big as they get. Obama administration does not seem to throw such accusations lightly.
  - gragas 10y ago
    I do agree that the Obama administration doesn't seem to throw such accusations lightly. But Obama and the entire Democratic party didn't necessarily have their ass on the line when the NSA leaks happened.
    - varjag 10y ago
      There's certainly first time for everything. However, I assume when Snowden backed out from his path to martyrdom and landed in Russian asylum, the temptation to label him as a foreign agent must have been great. Being penetrated by a spy is perceived differently than suffering from gross incompetence, and quite a few high ranking asses in NSA and elsewhere could be saved.
      - TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago
        I don't think any of the smears against Snowden being a Russian agent or whatever were ever said “officially”.
        varjag 10y ago
        Exactly my point.
- alva 10y ago
  >U.S. intelligence services and the Obama administration have explicitly accused Russia of the leaks No they have not. Read the statement [0] very, very carefully. [0] https://www.dhs.gov/node/23199 https://www.dhs.gov/node/23199
  - lyschoening 10y ago
    > "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations." > "We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

by gragas 10y ago

lyschoening 10y ago

U.S. intelligence services and the Obama administration have explicitly accused Russia of the leaks and assessed that this must have been orchestrated from high in the Russian government. That's a pretty bold statement in politics. Of course we can point to cases where U.S. administrations have lied, but it still should count as evidence, at least on a probabilistic level. Also, regarding Assange, I believe evgen meant to say that the administration was happy with where he was holed up until he started stirring up the pot.

varjag 10y ago
Also note that the U.S. government did not implicate any foreign governments in cases of cablegate or NSA leaks, and these were as big as they get. Obama administration does not seem to throw such accusations lightly.
- gragas 10y ago
  I do agree that the Obama administration doesn't seem to throw such accusations lightly. But Obama and the entire Democratic party didn't necessarily have their ass on the line when the NSA leaks happened.
  - varjag 10y ago
    There's certainly first time for everything. However, I assume when Snowden backed out from his path to martyrdom and landed in Russian asylum, the temptation to label him as a foreign agent must have been great. Being penetrated by a spy is perceived differently than suffering from gross incompetence, and quite a few high ranking asses in NSA and elsewhere could be saved.
    - TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago
      I don't think any of the smears against Snowden being a Russian agent or whatever were ever said “officially”.
      - varjag 10y ago
        Exactly my point.
alva 10y ago
>U.S. intelligence services and the Obama administration have explicitly accused Russia of the leaks No they have not. Read the statement [0] very, very carefully. [0] https://www.dhs.gov/node/23199 https://www.dhs.gov/node/23199
- lyschoening 10y ago
  > "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations." > "We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."