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Not for me, I don't even understand your point. Of course it's up to me if I have something to hide. I have nothing on my phone that I wouldn't be perfectly OK

by roel_v 10y ago

Not for me, I don't even understand your point. Of course it's up to me if I have something to hide. I have nothing on my phone that I wouldn't be perfectly OK with to have printed and displayed in a busy public place. How is it not up to me to decide what details of my life I have to hide?

morganvachon 10y ago
Easy: Your contact list. You may not care who sees your list, but the people on your contact list would probably be upset if their private email address, cellphone number, chat name, home address and other personal data were exposed to the general public. Ditto any conversation you had with them via text; you may not care who sees the conversation, but your partner/friend/boss may object to having their privately texted words plastered all over Times Square. Your GPS location data is another good one. Hypothetically speaking, would you really want the public, which contains some seedy characters mixed in with the "normal" people, to see the route you take to drop off/pick up your daughter at school, making her easy pickings for a kidnapping? There's more than just the websites you browse and the people you talk to on your phone. It's a digital vault of every move you make, every question you ponder, every person you've interacted with, every store you shop at. Your banking data is there, your stocks, your hobbies, your bursts of anger, your outlook on life, your loved ones' and associates' addresses and contact information. In short, you hurt more than yourself by exposing your private data, whether to the public at large, the government, or commercial entities seeking to hoover it up for advertising revenue. It's your responsibility to keep it private.
- munin 10y ago
  Do you ever find it ironic that you are trying to combat totalitarian fear-mongering with an argument that in part is literally "think of the children?"
  - morganvachon 10y ago
    It was just an example; besides, sometimes "think of the children" is the correct stance. If that is your only counter to my point, then I feel safe in my position. :-)
chillingeffect 10y ago
Currently you have nothing on your phone that wouldn't be OK to be made public. Depending on who is in power in your area, that could change very quickly. If you're of the wrong race, someone like Donald Trump might use three-letter agency-collected data to move you out of the country. Foreign states might want to use your identity to get cheap health care for their citizens. Immigration policies, substance legal statuses and acceptable social practices and attitudes change overnight. Someone could spam with you child pornography and border officials could find it in your phone at the border. Furthermore, you don't know what you're going to do with the rest of your life and how the decisions you make now could be perceived in the future. Maybe someone's watching your house, keeping track of when you're not home. Or maybe they're using your phone patterns to do the same: Checking your phone when you're in the gym, in the bathroom at a restaurant. And any of these scenarios could be used to threaten you or someone you care about. Did a neighbor ask if you could babysit their children when they're away? Did your aunt admit she has a mental disorder that could get her fired? Did a friend reveal he has a substance abuse problem? Did your elderly parents send you copies of official financial documents to review? Ever looked for a "questionable" book on Amazon? Furthermore, if you're not following proper safety practices, you could be a liability for future business partners. Who wants to risk sharing data with someone who's loosey-goosey about the info on their systems? In conclusion, it's not just you, right now that bears thinking about. It's everyone in your social circle over the long-term future.
rdtsc 10y ago
Do you mean that in the sense of: The police asks you to surrender you phone. Telling "you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind" and you respond with "It is not up to decide if I have something to hide" Or, your friend is arguing for letting the police see their phone because your friend has nothing to hide. Your friend says "I have nothing to hide". But you respond with "It is not up to you if you have nothing to hide, so you shouldn't have that attitude". Assuming you meant the second, what is the reasoning behind it?
- rhizome 10y ago
  Say your friend is arrested for smoking pot in Arizona or Indiana or anywhere else that has draconian cannabis laws, now each of their contacts is possibly a dealer. They're in a different state? The DEA will be happy to help make a federal case out of it. It's not implausible.
jessaustin 10y ago
You may not care about jackbooted thugs in the service of evil politicians, but they care about you.

by roel_v 10y ago

morganvachon 10y ago

Easy: Your contact list. You may not care who sees your list, but the people on your contact list would probably be upset if their private email address, cellphone number, chat name, home address and other personal data were exposed to the general public. Ditto any conversation you had with them via text; you may not care who sees the conversation, but your partner/friend/boss may object to having their privately texted words plastered all over Times Square. Your GPS location data is another good one. Hypothetically speaking, would you really want the public, which contains some seedy characters mixed in with the "normal" people, to see the route you take to drop off/pick up your daughter at school, making her easy pickings for a kidnapping? There's more than just the websites you browse and the people you talk to on your phone. It's a digital vault of every move you make, every question you ponder, every person you've interacted with, every store you shop at. Your banking data is there, your stocks, your hobbies, your bursts of anger, your outlook on life, your loved ones' and associates' addresses and contact information. In short, you hurt more than yourself by exposing your private data, whether to the public at large, the government, or commercial entities seeking to hoover it up for advertising revenue. It's your responsibility to keep it private.

munin 10y ago
Do you ever find it ironic that you are trying to combat totalitarian fear-mongering with an argument that in part is literally "think of the children?"
- morganvachon 10y ago
  It was just an example; besides, sometimes "think of the children" is the correct stance. If that is your only counter to my point, then I feel safe in my position. :-)

chillingeffect 10y ago

Currently you have nothing on your phone that wouldn't be OK to be made public. Depending on who is in power in your area, that could change very quickly. If you're of the wrong race, someone like Donald Trump might use three-letter agency-collected data to move you out of the country. Foreign states might want to use your identity to get cheap health care for their citizens. Immigration policies, substance legal statuses and acceptable social practices and attitudes change overnight. Someone could spam with you child pornography and border officials could find it in your phone at the border. Furthermore, you don't know what you're going to do with the rest of your life and how the decisions you make now could be perceived in the future. Maybe someone's watching your house, keeping track of when you're not home. Or maybe they're using your phone patterns to do the same: Checking your phone when you're in the gym, in the bathroom at a restaurant. And any of these scenarios could be used to threaten you or someone you care about. Did a neighbor ask if you could babysit their children when they're away? Did your aunt admit she has a mental disorder that could get her fired? Did a friend reveal he has a substance abuse problem? Did your elderly parents send you copies of official financial documents to review? Ever looked for a "questionable" book on Amazon? Furthermore, if you're not following proper safety practices, you could be a liability for future business partners. Who wants to risk sharing data with someone who's loosey-goosey about the info on their systems? In conclusion, it's not just you, right now that bears thinking about. It's everyone in your social circle over the long-term future.

rdtsc 10y ago

Do you mean that in the sense of: The police asks you to surrender you phone. Telling "you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind" and you respond with "It is not up to decide if I have something to hide" Or, your friend is arguing for letting the police see their phone because your friend has nothing to hide. Your friend says "I have nothing to hide". But you respond with "It is not up to you if you have nothing to hide, so you shouldn't have that attitude". Assuming you meant the second, what is the reasoning behind it?

rhizome 10y ago
Say your friend is arrested for smoking pot in Arizona or Indiana or anywhere else that has draconian cannabis laws, now each of their contacts is possibly a dealer. They're in a different state? The DEA will be happy to help make a federal case out of it. It's not implausible.

jessaustin 10y ago

You may not care about jackbooted thugs in the service of evil politicians, but they care about you.