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You're right, Thiel's position isn't based on hatred – it's based on indifference. It's based on being privileged enough that Trump's hatefulness doesn't and wo

You're right, Thiel's position isn't based on hatred – it's based on indifference. It's based on being privileged enough that Trump's hatefulness doesn't and won't personally affect him. I don't see how that's any better.

obstacle1 10y ago
It isn't a given that Trump is objectively hateful or that Trump's expressed words will personally affect any given American. Your point of view, while a wonderful work of emotionally-charged rhetoric, is not legitimate.
- drewrv 10y ago
  I don't get what you're trying to say. What does "objectively hateful" mean? You think the president's words don't affect Americans?
ryporter 10y ago
You don't see how it's better to be indifferent to the plight of minorities (which is just your characterization of Thiel, by the way) than it is to promote hatred of those groups?
- nbouscal 10y ago
  It's not about Thiel being indifferent to the issue in general as a passive observer. He's actively making things worse by supporting Trump, and he's indifferent about that. He's willing to take his policy wins in exchange for helping make a serial sexual assaulter president. Helping Trump become president is promoting hatred. Whether Thiel himself feels any particular hatred doesn't seem all that relevant.
  - whamlastxmas 10y ago
    >serial sexual assaulter president Allegedly, in the same way that HRC is allegedly a rapist apologist and allegedly threatened a rape victim of her husband. I don't understand why Clinton supporters try to ignore this but harp on Trump constantly. The supporters on both sides use tremendously dishonest hyperbole and it makes everyone look like ignorant, brainless assholes. How about sticking to talking points that are of real substance? Apparently we're too busy screaming at each other about how Trump wants to fuck all non-whites to death and Hillary is actually Lord Voldemort.
    - fletom 10y ago
      The stuff about Trump is mostly verifiably true beyond reasonable doubt. ("I like to assault women.", dozens of women in his circles: "Yeah he does that.") The stuff about Clinton is mostly verifiably false. (see Snopes for example http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/ http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-lau...) That's the difference.
      - whamlastxmas 10y ago
        Yeah, no one has incentive to lie during this campaign, and no one has ever lied during this campaign. Let's go ahead and treat everything everyone says as fact. Good point. /s
      - drakonandor 10y ago
        While it may perhaps be true, you shouldn't put it in quotes if he didn't say it.
    - nbouscal 10y ago
      "Serial sexual assaulter" isn't hyperbole, and I'm not screaming. fletom's comment is correct. It's not just an allegation when it's on record for everyone to listen to.
memossy 10y ago
One could argue the success of most companies in SV are based in part on indifference. Disruption creates many losers as well as winners, not everything is a positive sum game. Indifference towards second order impacts due to a focus on the primary goal (economy is really really bad about to explode etc) is pretty common. I think Thiel does acknowledge some of the ugliness though looking at his speech, he's just focused on the necessity for immediate change versus status quo/gradual shifts & calls for him to be disavowed for doing so still don't ring quite true.

obstacle1 10y ago

It isn't a given that Trump is objectively hateful or that Trump's expressed words will personally affect any given American. Your point of view, while a wonderful work of emotionally-charged rhetoric, is not legitimate.

drewrv 10y ago
I don't get what you're trying to say. What does "objectively hateful" mean? You think the president's words don't affect Americans?

ryporter 10y ago

You don't see how it's better to be indifferent to the plight of minorities (which is just your characterization of Thiel, by the way) than it is to promote hatred of those groups?

nbouscal 10y ago
It's not about Thiel being indifferent to the issue in general as a passive observer. He's actively making things worse by supporting Trump, and he's indifferent about that. He's willing to take his policy wins in exchange for helping make a serial sexual assaulter president. Helping Trump become president is promoting hatred. Whether Thiel himself feels any particular hatred doesn't seem all that relevant.
- whamlastxmas 10y ago
  >serial sexual assaulter president Allegedly, in the same way that HRC is allegedly a rapist apologist and allegedly threatened a rape victim of her husband. I don't understand why Clinton supporters try to ignore this but harp on Trump constantly. The supporters on both sides use tremendously dishonest hyperbole and it makes everyone look like ignorant, brainless assholes. How about sticking to talking points that are of real substance? Apparently we're too busy screaming at each other about how Trump wants to fuck all non-whites to death and Hillary is actually Lord Voldemort.
  - fletom 10y ago
    The stuff about Trump is mostly verifiably true beyond reasonable doubt. ("I like to assault women.", dozens of women in his circles: "Yeah he does that.") The stuff about Clinton is mostly verifiably false. (see Snopes for example http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/ http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-lau...) That's the difference.
    - whamlastxmas 10y ago
      Yeah, no one has incentive to lie during this campaign, and no one has ever lied during this campaign. Let's go ahead and treat everything everyone says as fact. Good point. /s
    - drakonandor 10y ago
      While it may perhaps be true, you shouldn't put it in quotes if he didn't say it.
  - nbouscal 10y ago
    "Serial sexual assaulter" isn't hyperbole, and I'm not screaming. fletom's comment is correct. It's not just an allegation when it's on record for everyone to listen to.

memossy 10y ago

One could argue the success of most companies in SV are based in part on indifference. Disruption creates many losers as well as winners, not everything is a positive sum game. Indifference towards second order impacts due to a focus on the primary goal (economy is really really bad about to explode etc) is pretty common. I think Thiel does acknowledge some of the ugliness though looking at his speech, he's just focused on the necessity for immediate change versus status quo/gradual shifts & calls for him to be disavowed for doing so still don't ring quite true.