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Actually me saying they're not the same would be a statement of fact. As an American, forgive me for actually caring about my countries politics.

by ZoF 10y ago

dmix 10y ago
You can care about your countries politics and not support either primary candidate, or the political structures they represent. Supporting the lesser of evils is still supporting evil and going along with it as the new status quo just prolongs and reinforces your problem IMO, because it makes them legitimate. The fact there is so much hostility against the idea of rejecting both parties is a big reason why the standards have reached such a low point, where Trump/Clinton are the best available options and people are just okay with that. People prefer to rabidly support the red/blue teams blindly while the majority of the western world has far more healthier functioning multi-party political systems and more advanced electoral systems. Even though polling shows the average person doesn't like nor trust either candidates it's rare to find news articles in US papers about the poor state of politics and the need for reform (not just deciding to attack one side or the other). Maybe Trump has been too much of a distraction away from the higher level downward-spiral America politics faces. Unless there is some resistance and holding everyone to higher standards, it's just going to continue like this. America has swung to the other side of the pendelum from their political ideology of the 1750-early 1900s where the status quo governance systems was constantly questioned to now having a culture of doubling down with lost causes, fighting a war of attrition from the trenches while both sides lose. I'd rather not be wasting my life in the trenches TYVM.
- ZoF 10y ago
  >You can care about your countries politics and not support either primary candidate, or the political structures they represent. Did I say or even imply you couldn't? No, I didnt. I was simply disagreeing that these candidates are the same. I'll be voting for my interpretation of the "lesser evil" unapologetically. I'm not 'wasting my life in the trenches', I'm an American citizen with an opinion. I respect your decision to vote third party or not at all, but please stop trying to shame me for "being evil" and voting how I see fit. TYVM

Actually me saying they're not the same would be a statement of fact. As an American, forgive me for actually caring about my countries politics.

by ZoF 10y ago

Actually me saying they're not the same would be a statement of fact. As an American, forgive me for actually caring about my countries politics.

dmix 10y ago

You can care about your countries politics and not support either primary candidate, or the political structures they represent. Supporting the lesser of evils is still supporting evil and going along with it as the new status quo just prolongs and reinforces your problem IMO, because it makes them legitimate. The fact there is so much hostility against the idea of rejecting both parties is a big reason why the standards have reached such a low point, where Trump/Clinton are the best available options and people are just okay with that. People prefer to rabidly support the red/blue teams blindly while the majority of the western world has far more healthier functioning multi-party political systems and more advanced electoral systems. Even though polling shows the average person doesn't like nor trust either candidates it's rare to find news articles in US papers about the poor state of politics and the need for reform (not just deciding to attack one side or the other). Maybe Trump has been too much of a distraction away from the higher level downward-spiral America politics faces. Unless there is some resistance and holding everyone to higher standards, it's just going to continue like this. America has swung to the other side of the pendelum from their political ideology of the 1750-early 1900s where the status quo governance systems was constantly questioned to now having a culture of doubling down with lost causes, fighting a war of attrition from the trenches while both sides lose. I'd rather not be wasting my life in the trenches TYVM.

ZoF 10y ago
>You can care about your countries politics and not support either primary candidate, or the political structures they represent. Did I say or even imply you couldn't? No, I didnt. I was simply disagreeing that these candidates are the same. I'll be voting for my interpretation of the "lesser evil" unapologetically. I'm not 'wasting my life in the trenches', I'm an American citizen with an opinion. I respect your decision to vote third party or not at all, but please stop trying to shame me for "being evil" and voting how I see fit. TYVM