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Do you travel ? In much if not all of Europe not giving your password, even to a random search when passing through (not entering the country), is a crime. Ther

Do you travel ? In much if not all of Europe not giving your password, even to a random search when passing through (not entering the country), is a crime. Therefore legal advice is to provide custom agents and other police with access to any device upon request and then.

golemotron 10y ago
Forgetting your password is a crime? Have they consulted neurologists?
- Kudos 10y ago
  You'd have to convince a judge of that.
the-dude 10y ago
Sources please. Only thing I can think of in the UK, something about forced to unencrypt. I do not carry a phone though.
- iliketosleep 10y ago
  Wikipedia gives a good summary for each nation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law
  - ljf 10y ago
    Key Disclosure Law is not what was implied by the parent: h >not giving your password, even to a random search
ljf 10y ago
Really? Never heard of that in the UK or when travelling in Europe, but I could be wrong. Do you have any links to more information on this?
- sib 10y ago
  This, for example: https://wiki.openrightsgroup.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000/Part_III https://wiki.openrightsgroup.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investig...
  - ljf 10y ago
    I don't see this being used by border guards or police in the street though which is what the parent was alluding to.
mirimir 10y ago
Right. So just don't keep anything sensitive on the phone. Whenever crossing borders or otherwise subject to search and seizure, carry blank devices. Access sensitive stuff from secure online repositories.
- nickpsecurity 10y ago
  Exactly. I'd even do locally-sourced hardware if the device ever leaves my site or they plug anything into it. Download the data via a VPN to be stored in an encrypted container. Upload and wipe it when you're done for your next round back. Not as much trouble as one would think if you use easy disk encryption, VPN, and syncing. I don't have an up-to-date recommendation on what combo to use, though.
  - glasz 10y ago
    yeah. while the two of you deal with stupid workarounds that work for only you, i'll rather try and fix the issue.
    - nickpsecurity 10y ago
      What's your proposed fix for establishing privacy from police at borders in all industrialized nations despite lack of voters or media campaign backing you? Cuz I call bullshit on that.
    - mirimir 10y ago
      Do you think that corporations allow staff to carry sensitive information across borders?
      - nickpsecurity 10y ago
        Have you seen the "information security" at most companies? It's anywhere from bad to horrible. Yeah, that's a possibility except at those with teams that would think about border searches.
metafunctor 10y ago
I call BS. Do you have any sources to back up this claim?
- candiodari 10y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation_by_nation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation...
  - ljf 10y ago
    That does not apply to what you described: >not giving your password, even to a random search These reference what can be requested/forced during court proceedings. Do you have any examples that support the statement you made?
yardie 10y ago
Yes, I travel a lot. Over 50 countries, 25 in the last 2 years as part of my sabbatical. Sadly, I disagree. If I'm in a foreign country and I want legal advice I'll ask the local bar (or equivalent) about my rights. I'm simply not going to unlock my phone or incriminate myself just on the word of law enforcement. I don't do anything criminal, this is about respect. If they feel I have done something wrong it's for them to prove it. I'm not going to do it for them.
- dkersten 10y ago
  You arrive in a foreign country. You get stopped by police and asked to unlock your phone. You're worried you will miss your connecting flight/train/bus/whatever. How will you contact the local bar equivalent in this situation? Even without the time pressure of a connecting flight, you're not exactly going to tell the police "hang on, wait until I google to see who I should contact, and then let me give them a call. Then I will see if I will comply with your order or not"

golemotron 10y ago

Forgetting your password is a crime? Have they consulted neurologists?

Kudos 10y ago
You'd have to convince a judge of that.

the-dude 10y ago

Sources please. Only thing I can think of in the UK, something about forced to unencrypt. I do not carry a phone though.

iliketosleep 10y ago
Wikipedia gives a good summary for each nation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law
- ljf 10y ago
  Key Disclosure Law is not what was implied by the parent: h >not giving your password, even to a random search

ljf 10y ago

Really? Never heard of that in the UK or when travelling in Europe, but I could be wrong. Do you have any links to more information on this?

sib 10y ago
This, for example: https://wiki.openrightsgroup.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investigatory_Powers_Act_2000/Part_III https://wiki.openrightsgroup.org/wiki/Regulation_of_Investig...
- ljf 10y ago
  I don't see this being used by border guards or police in the street though which is what the parent was alluding to.

mirimir 10y ago

Right. So just don't keep anything sensitive on the phone. Whenever crossing borders or otherwise subject to search and seizure, carry blank devices. Access sensitive stuff from secure online repositories.

nickpsecurity 10y ago
Exactly. I'd even do locally-sourced hardware if the device ever leaves my site or they plug anything into it. Download the data via a VPN to be stored in an encrypted container. Upload and wipe it when you're done for your next round back. Not as much trouble as one would think if you use easy disk encryption, VPN, and syncing. I don't have an up-to-date recommendation on what combo to use, though.
- glasz 10y ago
  yeah. while the two of you deal with stupid workarounds that work for only you, i'll rather try and fix the issue.
  - nickpsecurity 10y ago
    What's your proposed fix for establishing privacy from police at borders in all industrialized nations despite lack of voters or media campaign backing you? Cuz I call bullshit on that.
  - mirimir 10y ago
    Do you think that corporations allow staff to carry sensitive information across borders?
    - nickpsecurity 10y ago
      Have you seen the "information security" at most companies? It's anywhere from bad to horrible. Yeah, that's a possibility except at those with teams that would think about border searches.

metafunctor 10y ago

I call BS. Do you have any sources to back up this claim?

candiodari 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation_by_nation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_disclosure_law#Legislation...
- ljf 10y ago
  That does not apply to what you described: >not giving your password, even to a random search These reference what can be requested/forced during court proceedings. Do you have any examples that support the statement you made?

yardie 10y ago

Yes, I travel a lot. Over 50 countries, 25 in the last 2 years as part of my sabbatical. Sadly, I disagree. If I'm in a foreign country and I want legal advice I'll ask the local bar (or equivalent) about my rights. I'm simply not going to unlock my phone or incriminate myself just on the word of law enforcement. I don't do anything criminal, this is about respect. If they feel I have done something wrong it's for them to prove it. I'm not going to do it for them.

dkersten 10y ago
You arrive in a foreign country. You get stopped by police and asked to unlock your phone. You're worried you will miss your connecting flight/train/bus/whatever. How will you contact the local bar equivalent in this situation? Even without the time pressure of a connecting flight, you're not exactly going to tell the police "hang on, wait until I google to see who I should contact, and then let me give them a call. Then I will see if I will comply with your order or not"