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Yeah, we're all about the more subtle behaviors, such as not bothering to study female animal models for a majority of pharmaceuticals over decades, or fighting
by M_Grey 10y ago
Yeah, we're all about the more subtle behaviors, such as not bothering to study female animal models for a majority of pharmaceuticals over decades, or fighting various aspects of reproductive rights.
- nyolfen 10y agoi'll take the subtle over the overt any day
- M_Grey 10y agoI reject your false dichotomy.
- mikeash 10y agoAnd I reject your false equivalency.
- M_Grey 10y agoCould you possibly identify it first?
- mikeash 10y agoThe original comment said: "It would be unthinkable for modern western countries to segregate as described in the article." You replied with: "Yeah, we're all about the more subtle behaviors...." There are two possibilities: either you think that these more subtle behaviors are at least as bad as the overt segregation discussed in the article, or they're not as bad. If the former, then that's the false equivalency. If the latter, then your reply was pointless.
- M_Grey 10y agoI think it's different, but I think if you have to waste part of your (I believe) only life fighting for basic human rights, it's wrong. It's especially wrong when those issues so often touch on matters of health, with contribute to an early and unnecessary exit from that life. Not surprisingly, this has more nuance than the silly black and white options presented by people who have issues.
- vertex-four 10y agoTo be honest, as someone who literally runs a chat room for people who self-identify as social justice warriors, so will I. Doesn't mean we can't improve. Though this is off-topic for the discussion at hand, so let's get back to it?
- jimmywanger 10y ago> such as not bothering to study female animal models for a majority of pharmaceuticals over decades I thought gender/sex was a social construct and had no rooting in reality. /s > fighting various aspects of reproductive rights. Like the inability of a man to abort a child without any input from his partner? Shouldn't a man be able to disavow any paternal and financial responsibility if he doesn't feel like being a father?
- 1457389 10y agoUmm, are you an MRM markov chain?
- jimmywanger 10y agoDepends. Is the post I responded to a product of a SJW markov chain? Also, please add something to the discussion. You simply made an ad hominem attack and didn't address my points at all.
- belorn 10y agoInstead of name calling, lets try to create a productive discussion and define some general goals on what reproductive rights should be as human rights, rather than women rights or men rights. 1# No person should be handed responsibility to create or support a offspring without their consent. 2# No child should be without enough financial support to live and grown into an adult. Reproduction should only be legal when there is two consenting adults that want to bring a child to the world. In every case there isn't, that is a problem we as a society should try to fix as best we can without causing too much harm to either the unwilling parent or child.
- M_Grey 10y agoI appreciate you taking the time to find something worth responding to in the mess I seemed to have touched off. I agree with all of your points, but I'm also careful to suggest that if raising a child is something you're unwilling to do, you need to restrict your sexual activity accordingly. That can just mean protected sex with someone you trust, and know would be willing to terminate an unexpected and accidental pregnancy.
- celticninja 10y agoPerhaps what you should be seeing is the forest and not the individual trees. It was not too long ago that women in the west did not have the vote, I'm sure they would not have been allowed cell phones if they existed back then. Now however they have equality with men in the eyes of the law and are in the main treated as such. Yes there are some areas where improvements can still be made but would you prefer to be protesting for women to have the right to make their own decisions (as opposed to them being made by their husbands, fathers or brothers) or that pharmaceutical trials paid more attention to gender differences?
- M_Grey 10y agoIs there some reason the answer isn't, "Both"?
- celticninja 10y agoThe point is that in the West we have made significant improvements in the equal treatment of women and we are continuing to improve. Yes it should be both but to compare the treatment of women in Muslim countries to the suggestions you made is disingenuous at best.
- M_Grey 10y agoThe comment I responded to: "It would be unthinkable for modern western countries to segregate as described in the article." My response was hardly disingenuous, and I don't appreciate that characterization.