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you rather misunderstand my point. The thing that really outraged me is that the parent comment (which I read before reading the article) wrote: >It's going t
by logicallee 10y ago
you rather misunderstand my point. The thing that really outraged me is that the parent comment (which I read before reading the article) wrote:
>It's going to be a big stretch to call her a "protester".
which is absolutely outrageous phrasing, and it happened here, on HN, not in an article comment section or youtube comments, or in some backwater county courthouse somewhere. Right here, someone says, "it's going to be a big stretch to call her a 'protestor' " as though that were any kind of crime whatsoever.
Imagine if it had said nonchallantly, "It's going to be a BIG stretch to call her guilty of thinking. I checked her writing, looking through her blog and facebook, and I didn't find any contraband thoughts. If she's a criminal guilty of thinking then she's hiding it very well. To me, she seems like an actual journalists: she sat in the press conferences, wore her badge, quoted official soundbytes, and I hope got prior restraint approval from the corporations she was covering before she decided to go live with it. If they didn't like her viewpoint they should have expressed it at that point or simply asked her not to write her opinion - I'm sure she would have complied. She doesn't strike me as a criminal or thinker at all!"
I'm not exaggerating.
That's how bad it is to have someone here on HN write
>It's going to be a big stretch to call her a "protester".
It's really, really bad. We have to push back very hard against this idea here. There is absolutely nothing wrong about being a protestor. Having protestors is in a very, very real and direct sense the exact and arguably "only" thing that separates us from North Korea. (Which I just watched a documentary on.)
By the way, this is despite the fact that reading Democracy Now is like reading Chomsky or, for that matter, Trotsky. I don't read Democracy Now, I don't consider it particularly objective, and I don't agree with their political views.
Our country is literally, not in some metaphorical sense, founded on principles of freedom that this phrasing of calling someone a "protestor" or defending that oh no, they're not a protestor, not Amy! She's a good and loyal Citizen --- goes completely counter to.
- maxerickson 10y agoIn the context of the story, "protester" means "one of the people arrested on private property for obstructing someone authorized by the property owner to work on a pipeline". It's not some dire slippery slope to talk about it being a stretch to lump a journalist in with those folks. Well, it might be, if the commenter you replied to was being incredibly literal with the word they put in quotes to signify that they weren't being entirely literal...
- logicallee 10y agoI don't buy your reading, sorry. It doesn't make sense. Sarcastically: How do I know you're not a protestor too? Are you one of them? Where is your "refuse to belong to any union petition" signature? Who did you vote for? Protestor doesn't mean "someone who illegally obstructs or damages property'. This word doesn't mean that. It is impossible to read the quote this way, > Erickson told the Grand Forks Herald that he did not, in fact, consider Goodman a journalist. even if you bend over backwards like this: http://files.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bending-over-backwards.jpg http://files.doobybrain.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/bendi... Because it specifically talks about her status as a journalist, rather than participation or non-participation in what you call obstruction. It doesn't tallk about whether she obstructed anything - or was guilty of any crime. It talks about whether she's a journalist. As a matter of fact I would like you to reread it and agree with my reading. Thanks. - Edit to your reply: ok. we read it differently. I can agree that there's a bit of interpretation involved here.
- maxerickson 10y agoAs a matter of fact I would like you to reread it and agree with my reading. Thanks. No.