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I hope the tech world shuns Thiel. This is what he is supporting http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?ref=pol

by dmode 10y ago

I hope the tech world shuns Thiel. This is what he is supporting http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?ref=politics http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-... Specifically, look for his insults aimed at reporters and journalists. This man is unhinged and unqualified. He is currently riling up his followers by claiming that the election will be rigged. I am concerned the consequences of that message https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-...

ThomPete 10y ago
The real tragedy is how easily peoples attention are all about form not substance. For all the crazy things Trump is saying he actually have some points that are far more important to discuss than whatever he said about women or journalists. With Hillary you get a seasoned politician who is going to do what they have always been doing. Absolutely nothing. That's besides of course making a huge mess internationally. And a continued support for those specialt interests who pays for her campaigns. With Hillary you get an absurd potential continuation of a two family dynasty having controlled this country for almost 40 years with only one interruption. With Hillary you have a woman how is point her fingers at Trump for his taxes yet have done absolutely nothing to change the taxes and is herself using tax-havens where she channels all the money she and Bill make on international speeches, speeches they only have been paid for because they were politicians. Something the american people paid for and got nothing out of. (Not a single job created out of all that money they accumulated) With Hillary you get both her support for Iraq and several other international faillures. With Hillary you get a continuation of exactly what everyone agrees can't continue like this. Go figure.
- ting_bu_dung 10y ago
  the real tragedies is you are not aware you're just a little bit misogynistic yourself. "With Hillary you have a woman how is point her fingers at Trump". what does her being a woman have anything to do with your argument? let's face it, you're willing to overlook the fact that trump is a psychopathic, women hating, racist, russia-affiliated, tax-dodging scum because hillary. all the points you've raised about hillary isn't as scary as having an amoral dictator like trump in the office.
  - shaftoe 10y ago
    I think we need a new law to augment Godwin's Law, that all debates about this election devolve into agreeing that both candidates are grotesque and disagreeing about which one is worse.
    - ting_bu_dung 10y ago
      people on hacker news don't seem to realize there are shades of gray in the world, it's not black and white. Hillary might be light gray, but trump is BLACK. just like whenever there's discussion about Russia or China, people goes BUT US!. no. shades of gray.
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    How many innocent people are trump responsible for being killed vs hillary? You are right its not black and white which is exactly what i showed. Trump havent troops in war or approved airstrikrs killing innocent people. I am all too aware of the grayness of politics you are not given you call trump black. No one is we are humans and by definition gray. Calling someone black is exactly sign of the opposite ability you claim to hold high.
- robbiemitchell 10y ago
  1. Taxpayer money was spent suing the Clintons for years. They ended up broke as a result. 2. HRC pays taxes. Lots of them. 3. Politicians on both sides earn lucrative speaking fees after leaving office. (Giuliani had a great thing going for a while.) Are you criticizing the practice in general or just HRC?
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    I am critiquing the double standards.
- eli_gottlieb 10y ago
  Well yes, but with Trump you get Eric Cartman come to life: all the problems of Clinton, plus vulgarity, plus neo-Nazism.
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    Some would claim you already have that.
    - TillE 10y ago
      Some would claim that Obama is a neo-Nazi? I admit, that's a new one. Haven't heard that before.
      - ThomPete 10y ago
        Some would claim that his foreign politics are punishing innocent people just for being muslim. The accepted collateral damage and killing of people without trial is a big part of that.
        eli_gottlieb 10y ago
        >Some would claim that his foreign politics are punishing innocent people just for being muslim. Definitely. I'm far enough to the Left that I resent Trump for being so bad that Clinton can pin both parties' godawful policies all on him.
- dmode 10y ago
  Well, you have to move past childish rhetoric before we talk substance. And even if we did, Donald doesn't have any substance. If he did, he would have focused on those. His policy ideas are broad brush strokes which don't hold up under further scrutiny. Hillary is a centrist and pragmatic politician. I for one is pretty happy with where the US is and do not want radical change. Minor tweaks around healthcare, military spending, and safety net should be good enough.
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    You still really only object to form. I have no interest in that.and be happy where the US is all you want. That makes you part of the problem the way I see it. Something have to change IMO.
    - dmode 10y ago
      Let's agree to disagree that something needs to change. Also, as I said in my previous comment - I object to form AND substance. His form is so vile that it catches attention, but his substance is equally lacking.
      - ThomPete 10y ago
        He has substance it's just hidden from the rhetorics. This is his own fault of course but that does not change my interpretation of what I consider most important. I don't care what he said about women or what cigars Hillarys husband put into what interns something. Clinton was a great president, his (to use modern feminist rhetorics) exploit of his white male privilege to force a young women into obedience doesn't change the fact that he was a great president. Neither will Trumps rhetorics change the fact that he has more important points than Hillary in my book. So I will live with his language just as I lived with Clintons sexual escapades, Bush absurd wars, Hillarys support for them and Obamas draconian use of targeted killing and it's collateral damage.
idlewords 10y ago
Thiel is a Facebook board member and a YC partner, and we haven't heard a peep out of either organization. It's a shocking display of gutlessness. As Trump would say, disgusting!
awqrre 10y ago
Have you seen the hidden-cam video of Alan Schulkin, NYC commissioner of board of election claiming that they are in fact rigged? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0
- dmode 10y ago
  Some commissioner somewhere said election is rigged, so that must be the truth we all accept and go rioting on the street.
  - awqrre 10y ago
    I didn't say that... I was thinking that hopefully some people will pay more attention and maybe some folks will even follow buses around. But this is just one of many ways that they might be rigged. Another example could be that polling/registration station employees can also influence votes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTq1tlBwqI&t=2m20s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTq1tlBwqI&t=2m20s Some might even consider that the FBI rigged the elections by allowing Hillary to walk free...

by dmode 10y ago

ThomPete 10y ago

The real tragedy is how easily peoples attention are all about form not substance. For all the crazy things Trump is saying he actually have some points that are far more important to discuss than whatever he said about women or journalists. With Hillary you get a seasoned politician who is going to do what they have always been doing. Absolutely nothing. That's besides of course making a huge mess internationally. And a continued support for those specialt interests who pays for her campaigns. With Hillary you get an absurd potential continuation of a two family dynasty having controlled this country for almost 40 years with only one interruption. With Hillary you have a woman how is point her fingers at Trump for his taxes yet have done absolutely nothing to change the taxes and is herself using tax-havens where she channels all the money she and Bill make on international speeches, speeches they only have been paid for because they were politicians. Something the american people paid for and got nothing out of. (Not a single job created out of all that money they accumulated) With Hillary you get both her support for Iraq and several other international faillures. With Hillary you get a continuation of exactly what everyone agrees can't continue like this. Go figure.

ting_bu_dung 10y ago
the real tragedies is you are not aware you're just a little bit misogynistic yourself. "With Hillary you have a woman how is point her fingers at Trump". what does her being a woman have anything to do with your argument? let's face it, you're willing to overlook the fact that trump is a psychopathic, women hating, racist, russia-affiliated, tax-dodging scum because hillary. all the points you've raised about hillary isn't as scary as having an amoral dictator like trump in the office.
- shaftoe 10y ago
  I think we need a new law to augment Godwin's Law, that all debates about this election devolve into agreeing that both candidates are grotesque and disagreeing about which one is worse.
  - ting_bu_dung 10y ago
    people on hacker news don't seem to realize there are shades of gray in the world, it's not black and white. Hillary might be light gray, but trump is BLACK. just like whenever there's discussion about Russia or China, people goes BUT US!. no. shades of gray.
- ThomPete 10y ago
  How many innocent people are trump responsible for being killed vs hillary? You are right its not black and white which is exactly what i showed. Trump havent troops in war or approved airstrikrs killing innocent people. I am all too aware of the grayness of politics you are not given you call trump black. No one is we are humans and by definition gray. Calling someone black is exactly sign of the opposite ability you claim to hold high.
robbiemitchell 10y ago
1. Taxpayer money was spent suing the Clintons for years. They ended up broke as a result. 2. HRC pays taxes. Lots of them. 3. Politicians on both sides earn lucrative speaking fees after leaving office. (Giuliani had a great thing going for a while.) Are you criticizing the practice in general or just HRC?
- ThomPete 10y ago
  I am critiquing the double standards.
eli_gottlieb 10y ago
Well yes, but with Trump you get Eric Cartman come to life: all the problems of Clinton, plus vulgarity, plus neo-Nazism.
- ThomPete 10y ago
  Some would claim you already have that.
  - TillE 10y ago
    Some would claim that Obama is a neo-Nazi? I admit, that's a new one. Haven't heard that before.
    - ThomPete 10y ago
      Some would claim that his foreign politics are punishing innocent people just for being muslim. The accepted collateral damage and killing of people without trial is a big part of that.
      - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
        >Some would claim that his foreign politics are punishing innocent people just for being muslim. Definitely. I'm far enough to the Left that I resent Trump for being so bad that Clinton can pin both parties' godawful policies all on him.
dmode 10y ago
Well, you have to move past childish rhetoric before we talk substance. And even if we did, Donald doesn't have any substance. If he did, he would have focused on those. His policy ideas are broad brush strokes which don't hold up under further scrutiny. Hillary is a centrist and pragmatic politician. I for one is pretty happy with where the US is and do not want radical change. Minor tweaks around healthcare, military spending, and safety net should be good enough.
- ThomPete 10y ago
  You still really only object to form. I have no interest in that.and be happy where the US is all you want. That makes you part of the problem the way I see it. Something have to change IMO.
  - dmode 10y ago
    Let's agree to disagree that something needs to change. Also, as I said in my previous comment - I object to form AND substance. His form is so vile that it catches attention, but his substance is equally lacking.
    - ThomPete 10y ago
      He has substance it's just hidden from the rhetorics. This is his own fault of course but that does not change my interpretation of what I consider most important. I don't care what he said about women or what cigars Hillarys husband put into what interns something. Clinton was a great president, his (to use modern feminist rhetorics) exploit of his white male privilege to force a young women into obedience doesn't change the fact that he was a great president. Neither will Trumps rhetorics change the fact that he has more important points than Hillary in my book. So I will live with his language just as I lived with Clintons sexual escapades, Bush absurd wars, Hillarys support for them and Obamas draconian use of targeted killing and it's collateral damage.

idlewords 10y ago

Thiel is a Facebook board member and a YC partner, and we haven't heard a peep out of either organization. It's a shocking display of gutlessness. As Trump would say, disgusting!

awqrre 10y ago

Have you seen the hidden-cam video of Alan Schulkin, NYC commissioner of board of election claiming that they are in fact rigged? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUDTcxIqqM0

dmode 10y ago
Some commissioner somewhere said election is rigged, so that must be the truth we all accept and go rioting on the street.
- awqrre 10y ago
  I didn't say that... I was thinking that hopefully some people will pay more attention and maybe some folks will even follow buses around. But this is just one of many ways that they might be rigged. Another example could be that polling/registration station employees can also influence votes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTq1tlBwqI&t=2m20s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NTq1tlBwqI&t=2m20s Some might even consider that the FBI rigged the elections by allowing Hillary to walk free...