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Clinton has been exposed in plain daylight as having done things that would have made Richard Nixon blush. It's so bad that her campaign has been forced to hir

by chroem- 10y ago

Clinton has been exposed in plain daylight as having done things that would have made Richard Nixon blush. It's so bad that her campaign has been forced to hire a crew of dedicated astroturfers to cover for her, and they have no scruples over doing this either. How does that make her better than Trump?

adjkant 10y ago
Yes, she has. Hence why she is lower than the normally acceptable candidate. It doesn't make her equal to Trump, though. 1. Clinton has a platform that is static (even if it's crafted and not a personal belief). Trump's changes with his mood and is unclear on even the basic principles and topics he chooses to focus on. 2. Clinton has shown she can keep a level head, which is important when an outburst affects millions of people. Trump has not in the slightest. 3. Clinton has shown that she can hold a high position of power and not have the world blow up (quickly). 4. Clinton has shown an ability to be relatively truthful and consistent. When she lies, she carefully crafts them, even going so far as to avoid definition lying. We now have the email chains to back that up. Trump has trouble sticking to basic facts. Again, Clinton is objectively worse than the majority of candidates. I think at this point, if you gave the US the option to elect Romney in lieu of voting for Trump and Clinton, you would have major support on both sides. Heck, at this point, (Romney = Clinton - scandals) in terms of policy. None of this touches their specific policies or even personal biases such as Trump's sexism, racism, islamophobia and more. Sure, you can say that a candidate's personal beliefs shouldn't affect his policies, but we have seen by Trump's proposals that this does not hold. Trump has not shown the ability to separate his personality from his work - his business is entrenched in his personal workings, even so much in how it operates and his brand is crafted. If you disagree with that last paragraph, scratch it. The numbered points are plenty difference enough, and again, do not touch policy or personal beliefs of the candidates.
ubernostrum 10y ago
And this country voted for Richard Nixon twice. Once in a historic landslide. Do you feel that disqualifies Clinton from the presidency?
- douche 10y ago
  One wonders what Nixon's legacy would have been if he just hadn't gotten caught. He wasn't a complete fuckup, and did actually accomplish some worthy things, but Watergate casts a shadow over it all. Meanwhile, look at his opponent in 1960. JFK is practically revered as a saint because he had his brains blown out on national television. We largely forget or excuse his intense sex addiction, or that he very nearly pushed the world over the edge of Armageddon, or that he was instrumental in escalating the Vietnam War. To the benefit of his legacy, at least, he was killed before his chickens came home to roost and became a martyr figure instead.
  - davidf18 10y ago
    Nixon proposed universal health care 45 years ago. Although some said he made anti-Semitic statements, he employed a Jewish Secretary of State, Kissinger who basically ran the international part of the presidency when Nixon was in the later states of the Watergate Investigation. Over the advice of Defense and other advisors, he insisted on fully rearming a desperate Israel with a very, very impressive airlift during the Yom Kippur War (1973) when Israel was surprise attacked by Egypt and Syria on Yom Kippur.
    - Oletros 10y ago
      EPA was created by Nixon administration, isn't?
      - davidf18 10y ago
        Yes, you are correct! Interestingly, although a Republican, his creation of EPA and his desire to create universal health care is something we today associate more with Democrats.
Tempest1981 10y ago
gwb43.com has become a faint memory for many: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_contr... "RNC policy since 2004 has been to retain all emails of White House staff with RNC accounts, the staffers had the ability to delete the email, themselves."

by chroem- 10y ago

adjkant 10y ago

Yes, she has. Hence why she is lower than the normally acceptable candidate. It doesn't make her equal to Trump, though. 1. Clinton has a platform that is static (even if it's crafted and not a personal belief). Trump's changes with his mood and is unclear on even the basic principles and topics he chooses to focus on. 2. Clinton has shown she can keep a level head, which is important when an outburst affects millions of people. Trump has not in the slightest. 3. Clinton has shown that she can hold a high position of power and not have the world blow up (quickly). 4. Clinton has shown an ability to be relatively truthful and consistent. When she lies, she carefully crafts them, even going so far as to avoid definition lying. We now have the email chains to back that up. Trump has trouble sticking to basic facts. Again, Clinton is objectively worse than the majority of candidates. I think at this point, if you gave the US the option to elect Romney in lieu of voting for Trump and Clinton, you would have major support on both sides. Heck, at this point, (Romney = Clinton - scandals) in terms of policy. None of this touches their specific policies or even personal biases such as Trump's sexism, racism, islamophobia and more. Sure, you can say that a candidate's personal beliefs shouldn't affect his policies, but we have seen by Trump's proposals that this does not hold. Trump has not shown the ability to separate his personality from his work - his business is entrenched in his personal workings, even so much in how it operates and his brand is crafted. If you disagree with that last paragraph, scratch it. The numbered points are plenty difference enough, and again, do not touch policy or personal beliefs of the candidates.

ubernostrum 10y ago

And this country voted for Richard Nixon twice. Once in a historic landslide. Do you feel that disqualifies Clinton from the presidency?

douche 10y ago
One wonders what Nixon's legacy would have been if he just hadn't gotten caught. He wasn't a complete fuckup, and did actually accomplish some worthy things, but Watergate casts a shadow over it all. Meanwhile, look at his opponent in 1960. JFK is practically revered as a saint because he had his brains blown out on national television. We largely forget or excuse his intense sex addiction, or that he very nearly pushed the world over the edge of Armageddon, or that he was instrumental in escalating the Vietnam War. To the benefit of his legacy, at least, he was killed before his chickens came home to roost and became a martyr figure instead.
- davidf18 10y ago
  Nixon proposed universal health care 45 years ago. Although some said he made anti-Semitic statements, he employed a Jewish Secretary of State, Kissinger who basically ran the international part of the presidency when Nixon was in the later states of the Watergate Investigation. Over the advice of Defense and other advisors, he insisted on fully rearming a desperate Israel with a very, very impressive airlift during the Yom Kippur War (1973) when Israel was surprise attacked by Egypt and Syria on Yom Kippur.
  - Oletros 10y ago
    EPA was created by Nixon administration, isn't?
    - davidf18 10y ago
      Yes, you are correct! Interestingly, although a Republican, his creation of EPA and his desire to create universal health care is something we today associate more with Democrats.

Tempest1981 10y ago

gwb43.com has become a faint memory for many: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_contr... "RNC policy since 2004 has been to retain all emails of White House staff with RNC accounts, the staffers had the ability to delete the email, themselves."