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I flagged this mostly because I'm part of the vast international Zionist conspiracy, but partly because I believe it leads to no productive discussion at all.

I flagged this mostly because I'm part of the vast international Zionist conspiracy, but partly because I believe it leads to no productive discussion at all. Not to mention that what Wikileaks is doing is unethical, and paying attention to it enables them. Read @zeynep's Twitter feed for a forceful argument against these document dumps, and the harm they do to democracy.

sheraz 10y ago
But didn't those very dumps expose the collusion between Hillary's campaign and the Democratic National Committee to marginalize Sanders and his supporters? Not that two wrongs make a right, but two negative make a positive...or something like that :-) edit: speeeling
ramtatatam 10y ago
Is the way how documents had been obtained ethical or not? Well, too late for this is it not? The question should really be what the origin of those documents is - are they genuine or not. It's like mounting provocation against officials so they accept a bribe. Is it ethical? Well - in some countries this is how unethically-acting people are being caught red handed. The only way they actually can be caught red handed.
- sharemywin 10y ago
  The whole point is there's no way to prove they are true or not. or which parts are true or not. Now if you trust wikileaks as some kind of authority on truth...
  - ramtatatam 10y ago
    There is a way to prove if those sources are genuine but you don't have resources to do so. However to say "there is no way to prove they are true or not" is far from true. Such documents can be cross-referenced with other documents we know are genuine, simply this requires research you have no time nor resource to conduct. But there are others out there who have both time and resources. I have seen some documents about my home government (not USA) which were all (to the last one) true.
    - sharemywin 10y ago
      They can't insert words into the documents they published that were originals.
internaut 10y ago
God, I love this. In realtime we're seeing the conservative position on wikileaks melt into friendly affection at "that old rascal", while the liberals are undergoing the reverse metamorphosis. I can't stop laughing. This is so surreal.

sheraz 10y ago

But didn't those very dumps expose the collusion between Hillary's campaign and the Democratic National Committee to marginalize Sanders and his supporters? Not that two wrongs make a right, but two negative make a positive...or something like that :-) edit: speeeling

ramtatatam 10y ago

Is the way how documents had been obtained ethical or not? Well, too late for this is it not? The question should really be what the origin of those documents is - are they genuine or not. It's like mounting provocation against officials so they accept a bribe. Is it ethical? Well - in some countries this is how unethically-acting people are being caught red handed. The only way they actually can be caught red handed.

sharemywin 10y ago
The whole point is there's no way to prove they are true or not. or which parts are true or not. Now if you trust wikileaks as some kind of authority on truth...
- ramtatatam 10y ago
  There is a way to prove if those sources are genuine but you don't have resources to do so. However to say "there is no way to prove they are true or not" is far from true. Such documents can be cross-referenced with other documents we know are genuine, simply this requires research you have no time nor resource to conduct. But there are others out there who have both time and resources. I have seen some documents about my home government (not USA) which were all (to the last one) true.
  - sharemywin 10y ago
    They can't insert words into the documents they published that were originals.

internaut 10y ago

God, I love this. In realtime we're seeing the conservative position on wikileaks melt into friendly affection at "that old rascal", while the liberals are undergoing the reverse metamorphosis. I can't stop laughing. This is so surreal.