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Nice overview. I only wish for there to be an implementation of the signal protocol that fits my needs. In WhatsApp and Allo there are concerns of ad companies

Nice overview. I only wish for there to be an implementation of the signal protocol that fits my needs. In WhatsApp and Allo there are concerns of ad companies using your metadata, and the Signal app is lackluster in the UX department and OWS's affinity with Google is rather disappointing also.

weinzierl 10y ago
> I only wish for there to be an implementation of the signal protocol that fits my needs. ...and which most of my friends used. I'm OK with Signal's UX, but the problem is that I know exactly two people who use it too, everyone else is on WhatsApp. I mean: Writing this implementation would be hard, but still tremendously easier than getting enough traction to make it useful.
- akvadrako 10y ago
  People can change fairly quickly to a new platform and it doesn't have to be all or nothing. I stopped using WhatsApp and have convinced most of my friends to install Signal for communicating with me in place of SMS. However it's hard to recommend because of the lack of features.
FabHK 10y ago
Wire seems fairly fully featured, open source, and claim to have a feasible "freemium" business model, i.e. later selling premium services on the platform. They claim they use the Axolotl double ratchet, though Moxie/OWS claims Wire uses a variation of the protocol they don't recommend.
- oakwhiz 10y ago
  I would be interested to know exactly what it is about Wire that OWS doesn't seem to approve of
  - qznc 10y ago
    It might just be that they did not look into it.
  - eatbitseveryday 10y ago
    > Wire does not use Signal Protocol, they used some of our code to create a protocol of their own devising that we do not recommend. 4 days ago, no follow-ups to questions for details. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12688012#12690148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12688012#12690148
- niftich 10y ago
  If you're interested about this topic, I recommend the following readings previously posted on HN and drawing your own conclusions. They are listed in no particular order: [1][2][3][4] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12148728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12148728 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12361410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12361410 [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22wire%20does%20not%20use%22%20moxie&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22wire%20does%20not%20use%22%... [4] (long but enlightening read) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11725602 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11725602
Arathorn 10y ago
It's beta currently, but we're trying to fill this gap in matrix.org with the Olm & Megolm ratchets as showcased in the web version of http://riot.im http://riot.im. Once it's implemented on mobile too (around the end of October) it will hopefully be a compelling option!

weinzierl 10y ago

> I only wish for there to be an implementation of the signal protocol that fits my needs. ...and which most of my friends used. I'm OK with Signal's UX, but the problem is that I know exactly two people who use it too, everyone else is on WhatsApp. I mean: Writing this implementation would be hard, but still tremendously easier than getting enough traction to make it useful.

akvadrako 10y ago
People can change fairly quickly to a new platform and it doesn't have to be all or nothing. I stopped using WhatsApp and have convinced most of my friends to install Signal for communicating with me in place of SMS. However it's hard to recommend because of the lack of features.

FabHK 10y ago

Wire seems fairly fully featured, open source, and claim to have a feasible "freemium" business model, i.e. later selling premium services on the platform. They claim they use the Axolotl double ratchet, though Moxie/OWS claims Wire uses a variation of the protocol they don't recommend.

oakwhiz 10y ago
I would be interested to know exactly what it is about Wire that OWS doesn't seem to approve of
- qznc 10y ago
  It might just be that they did not look into it.
- eatbitseveryday 10y ago
  > Wire does not use Signal Protocol, they used some of our code to create a protocol of their own devising that we do not recommend. 4 days ago, no follow-ups to questions for details. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12688012#12690148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12688012#12690148
niftich 10y ago
If you're interested about this topic, I recommend the following readings previously posted on HN and drawing your own conclusions. They are listed in no particular order: [1][2][3][4] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12148728 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12148728 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12361410 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12361410 [3] https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22wire%20does%20not%20use%22%20moxie&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%22wire%20does%20not%20use%22%... [4] (long but enlightening read) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11725602 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11725602

Arathorn 10y ago

It's beta currently, but we're trying to fill this gap in matrix.org with the Olm & Megolm ratchets as showcased in the web version of http://riot.im http://riot.im. Once it's implemented on mobile too (around the end of October) it will hopefully be a compelling option!