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So the US bombing and killing Syrian troops during a ceasefire isn't a major international incident, but the same situation with a few Russian or French troops

So the US bombing and killing Syrian troops during a ceasefire isn't a major international incident, but the same situation with a few Russian or French troops mixed in would be?

pvg 10y ago
Where did I say that? The poster claims French, US and Russian soldiers were killed. I don't think this ever happened. You produced some links to supposedly substantiate that claim but they don't. Now you want to outrage-pivot to something else. Did the incidents in the post take place? That's the only question I raised.
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  I'm suggesting to you that you're getting hung up on the wrong details. The point is that the US intentionally broke a ceasefire, killing soldiers that were fighting against ISIS. You seem to be only interested if Russians were involved in the deaths. Surely it's the breaking of the ceasefire by attacking anti-ISIS forces that's the main story. For what it's worth, I'm not aware of any Russians who died in that attack.
  - pvg 10y ago
    No, the point was 'West suffers from secrecy because X thing happened' where X seems to have been completely made up. I don't think this is 'getting hung up on details'. You seem to want to argue about something entirely different but I'm not really interested in that, I'm afraid.
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      Okay, so you were more interested in the secrecy angle. It probably helps to think of secrecy under the broader term of information management. If something isn't secret per se, but the information is suppressed so that it doesn't become common knowledge, isn't the outcome broadly the same? I'd argue that's what we're seeing here. That's how the US is getting away with arming Al-Qaeda (or at least former Al-Queda) to fight against ISIS, for example, even though they frequently fight alongside each other. If the US public was more aware of this then there's be greater pressure to stop, but that pressure is virtually non-existent due to the complicity of the mainstream media, helping to keep it away from public debate.

So the US bombing and killing Syrian troops during a ceasefire isn't a major international incident, but the same situation with a few Russian or French troops mixed in would be?

pvg 10y ago

Where did I say that? The poster claims French, US and Russian soldiers were killed. I don't think this ever happened. You produced some links to supposedly substantiate that claim but they don't. Now you want to outrage-pivot to something else. Did the incidents in the post take place? That's the only question I raised.

ZenoArrow 10y ago
I'm suggesting to you that you're getting hung up on the wrong details. The point is that the US intentionally broke a ceasefire, killing soldiers that were fighting against ISIS. You seem to be only interested if Russians were involved in the deaths. Surely it's the breaking of the ceasefire by attacking anti-ISIS forces that's the main story. For what it's worth, I'm not aware of any Russians who died in that attack.
- pvg 10y ago
  No, the point was 'West suffers from secrecy because X thing happened' where X seems to have been completely made up. I don't think this is 'getting hung up on details'. You seem to want to argue about something entirely different but I'm not really interested in that, I'm afraid.
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    Okay, so you were more interested in the secrecy angle. It probably helps to think of secrecy under the broader term of information management. If something isn't secret per se, but the information is suppressed so that it doesn't become common knowledge, isn't the outcome broadly the same? I'd argue that's what we're seeing here. That's how the US is getting away with arming Al-Qaeda (or at least former Al-Queda) to fight against ISIS, for example, even though they frequently fight alongside each other. If the US public was more aware of this then there's be greater pressure to stop, but that pressure is virtually non-existent due to the complicity of the mainstream media, helping to keep it away from public debate.