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I think Fiske met that constructive criticism with negative hyperbole and vague counter arguments that were not on point. People protect their vested interests

by lifty 10y ago

I think Fiske met that constructive criticism with negative hyperbole and vague counter arguments that were not on point. People protect their vested interests and status quo by praying on people's decency and politeness, but ignore the fundamental facts in the criticism brought against them, and that leads to a proportional negative reaction from the other side. This situation reminds me of the Eastern European political systems where failure to recognise and deal with basic problems like fairness, corruption, nepotism, etc leads to a progressive degradation of trust that in turn leads to more violent/drastic changes, with total disregard for decency. So, if you want to be treated decently, than you'd better act decently as well, and not only superficially.

mafribe 10y ago
reminds me of the Eastern European That's interesting, but maybe not so surprising, because the techniques that people like Fiske use stem (at least in parts) from the communist tradition of undermining and taking over institutions (e.g. Trotsky's entryism).
- venomsnake 10y ago
  (e.g. Trotsky's entryism) - known in modern times as diversity advocates. Let me in your group. Then change your group culture to suit me instead of me blending in.
  - _delirium 10y ago
    Trotsky's entryism was pretty specific, I don't think particularly related to your beefs. His argument was that forming small far-left workers' parties didn't make sense if there already existed large mass workers' parties, and instead communists should work within those, even if they were more moderate than you'd like, rather than forming new parties, which would be ideologically pure but not contain the actual masses of the working class who would have to form the basis of any workers' government. In most Western European countries, the majority of the working class supported various kinds of Labour and Social Democratic parties, so that's what he advocated joining.

by lifty 10y ago

mafribe 10y ago

reminds me of the Eastern European That's interesting, but maybe not so surprising, because the techniques that people like Fiske use stem (at least in parts) from the communist tradition of undermining and taking over institutions (e.g. Trotsky's entryism).

venomsnake 10y ago
(e.g. Trotsky's entryism) - known in modern times as diversity advocates. Let me in your group. Then change your group culture to suit me instead of me blending in.
- _delirium 10y ago
  Trotsky's entryism was pretty specific, I don't think particularly related to your beefs. His argument was that forming small far-left workers' parties didn't make sense if there already existed large mass workers' parties, and instead communists should work within those, even if they were more moderate than you'd like, rather than forming new parties, which would be ideologically pure but not contain the actual masses of the working class who would have to form the basis of any workers' government. In most Western European countries, the majority of the working class supported various kinds of Labour and Social Democratic parties, so that's what he advocated joining.