A while back I found myself doing a Laravel project and found it totally adequate and not at all painful, so I don't have the same old flinch reflex whenever so

A while back I found myself doing a Laravel project and found it totally adequate and not at all painful, so I don't have the same old flinch reflex whenever someone asks about PHP these days. That said, nobody will ever convince my that the style of structureless, start-at-the-top, run-to-the-bottom monolithic PHP pages has any merit at all for real apps. I have seen many projects fail, or slowly mire themselves, by creating these monstrosities, with the opening <html> tag 1200 lines down the file. But I assume these days that's not common.