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Yep, as much as I love to hate on google, I recently trialed their vms, aws and azure and google offered the best experience by far. I have no idea why people

by barnacs 10y ago

Yep, as much as I love to hate on google, I recently trialed their vms, aws and azure and google offered the best experience by far. I have no idea why people like aws so much. To spin up a simple vm, I had to go to the correct web interface for the specific location, go through a wizard full of weird nicknames for all services while browsing multiple pages of documentation to figure out that I need "ec2" and "t1.micro" or "m2.macro", how much they cost, what the hell an "ebs" is, then download the key they generated (which was only valid for that one location as it turned out later...) At google, I just selected "vm", specified the location, cpu, ram, storage, entered my own key into a text field, it immediately quoted a price and I was done. 2 clicks and 5 input fields, no documentation needed, all made sense.

hrez 10y ago
Not to take from noob experience but google just has less features and services. When/if they have as many it will be similar mess. It's already getting there. Also, you could import your own key in aws. Though I agree that aws could benefit from global settings across regions like keys, cloutrails, config and so on. With more regions coming up it becomes unnecessary noise to manage each region separately.
- cobookman 10y ago
  What features is google cloud missing that's stopping you from switching today. A lot of Googlers lurk these forms and I'm sure they'd love the feedback.
  - hrez 10y ago
    It does not answer your question straight but here are some things that stared at me in the first week though perhaps there is a way I don't know about: 1. No tag based billing ala aws. The only way to separate bills seems to be using projects. Which means separate networks. Which means more vpn needed to tie it all together to corp network? 2. Need more granular IAM scopes. I.e. I want a user that gets readonly for compute, disks and snapshots and create/delete for snapshots. 3. Tags are labels are tags? For me that was a bit of wtf moment. It might have its reasons but I want to add labels without possibility to trigger firewall rules. For that matter why labels are alpha feature? It's not like it's a new service.
  - rmykhajliw 10y ago
    ALL. 1. billing - is stoped accepting my card a year ago (when card expired) and didn't work so far. I wrote to support, called - nothing. 2. Highly unintuitive interface, I spent 2 days to run a single instance, WTF ???. 3. Useless support 4. Limited API 5. Limited access/roles system 6. Almost no support of external deploy/release tools 7. No logs/events collecting/processing service Google is not suitable for development at all.
saryant 10y ago
How much does the experience of your first 15 minutes really matter when you're picking a platform for the next several years?
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- toredash 10y ago
  I would say quite a bit. If it takes 15min to get up and running, any major change at Google would still only require a new 15min to get to know the new system. If you need a month to properly get to know AWS, any major change will most likely cause another month of getting to know the new system. Or it could go the other way. No certainty there
- michaelt 10y ago
  I would say if you're going to be locked in to one vendor for 15 years, at the start before you're locked in is the /only/ time the experience matters :)
- pacala 10y ago
  A lot. We're running a small <10 team on a tight budget, we don't have time [or money] to waste. Looking towards the next several years: * https://cloud.google.com/container-engine https://cloud.google.com/container-engine [docker in the cloud] * https://cloud.google.com/bigquery https://cloud.google.com/bigquery [sql for analytics] * https://cloud.google.com/ml https://cloud.google.com/ml [tensor flow] * https://cloud.google.com/dataflow https://cloud.google.com/dataflow [2nd gen map-reduce] * https://cloud.google.com/bigtable https://cloud.google.com/bigtable [large scale semi-structured storage] * https://cloud.google.com/preemptible-vms https://cloud.google.com/preemptible-vms [cheap VMs] * https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/networks-and-firewalls https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/networks-and-firewalls [fast networks] Quite a lot of Google's infrastructure crown jewels have become part of their Cloud offering. Not sure where to start looking for competing AWS services, forget about looking closer at design / docs / scale / reliability. [xGoogler here, used to work on GCP]
meddlepal 10y ago
GCP just feels so much better "put together" from UX to product features. It had the advantage of not being first-mover.

by barnacs 10y ago

hrez 10y ago

Not to take from noob experience but google just has less features and services. When/if they have as many it will be similar mess. It's already getting there. Also, you could import your own key in aws. Though I agree that aws could benefit from global settings across regions like keys, cloutrails, config and so on. With more regions coming up it becomes unnecessary noise to manage each region separately.

cobookman 10y ago
What features is google cloud missing that's stopping you from switching today. A lot of Googlers lurk these forms and I'm sure they'd love the feedback.
- hrez 10y ago
  It does not answer your question straight but here are some things that stared at me in the first week though perhaps there is a way I don't know about: 1. No tag based billing ala aws. The only way to separate bills seems to be using projects. Which means separate networks. Which means more vpn needed to tie it all together to corp network? 2. Need more granular IAM scopes. I.e. I want a user that gets readonly for compute, disks and snapshots and create/delete for snapshots. 3. Tags are labels are tags? For me that was a bit of wtf moment. It might have its reasons but I want to add labels without possibility to trigger firewall rules. For that matter why labels are alpha feature? It's not like it's a new service.
- rmykhajliw 10y ago
  ALL. 1. billing - is stoped accepting my card a year ago (when card expired) and didn't work so far. I wrote to support, called - nothing. 2. Highly unintuitive interface, I spent 2 days to run a single instance, WTF ???. 3. Useless support 4. Limited API 5. Limited access/roles system 6. Almost no support of external deploy/release tools 7. No logs/events collecting/processing service Google is not suitable for development at all.

saryant 10y ago

How much does the experience of your first 15 minutes really matter when you're picking a platform for the next several years?

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toredash 10y ago
I would say quite a bit. If it takes 15min to get up and running, any major change at Google would still only require a new 15min to get to know the new system. If you need a month to properly get to know AWS, any major change will most likely cause another month of getting to know the new system. Or it could go the other way. No certainty there
michaelt 10y ago
I would say if you're going to be locked in to one vendor for 15 years, at the start before you're locked in is the /only/ time the experience matters :)
pacala 10y ago
A lot. We're running a small <10 team on a tight budget, we don't have time [or money] to waste. Looking towards the next several years: * https://cloud.google.com/container-engine https://cloud.google.com/container-engine [docker in the cloud] * https://cloud.google.com/bigquery https://cloud.google.com/bigquery [sql for analytics] * https://cloud.google.com/ml https://cloud.google.com/ml [tensor flow] * https://cloud.google.com/dataflow https://cloud.google.com/dataflow [2nd gen map-reduce] * https://cloud.google.com/bigtable https://cloud.google.com/bigtable [large scale semi-structured storage] * https://cloud.google.com/preemptible-vms https://cloud.google.com/preemptible-vms [cheap VMs] * https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/networks-and-firewalls https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/networks-and-firewalls [fast networks] Quite a lot of Google's infrastructure crown jewels have become part of their Cloud offering. Not sure where to start looking for competing AWS services, forget about looking closer at design / docs / scale / reliability. [xGoogler here, used to work on GCP]

meddlepal 10y ago

GCP just feels so much better "put together" from UX to product features. It had the advantage of not being first-mover.