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Spamming is not illegal, if it follows the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003. FB claimed that Power Ventures's actions fell under the CAN-SPAM Act, and was a violation of t
by dalke 10y ago
Spamming is not illegal, if it follows the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003.
FB claimed that Power Ventures's actions fell under the CAN-SPAM Act, and was a violation of the act, and was a willful violation so FB could get 3x damages as restitution, plus attorney fees.
There is nothing like that in rape law, where some rapes are legal and some are illegal. There are things like that in anti-peddling laws, which might allow only licensed peddlers in a region, or in telephone solicitation laws, which might restrict when calls can be made or prevent solicitors from calling people on a no-call list, or anti-bill posting laws which restrict posting a few public bulletin boards or kiosks, or anti-begging laws which prohibit aggressive panhandling.
That's of course the legal distinction. Perhaps there is a cultural similarity in antipathy between the two that I don't recognize?
You point about my hypothetical is valid. I was thinking more of conferences with
an anti-sexual harassment policy which obligates the organizers to be more responsive to claims of rape than claims of murder, even if there is no other evidence.
So, here's something more concrete. In http://www.swordandthescript.com/2014/06/linkedin-spam-reelseo/ http://www.swordandthescript.com/2014/06/linkedin-spam-reels... we see that Grant Crowell complained about "crass spam" by ReelSEO in advertising for their conference. He provided evidence of receiving on Linkedin, in one week, "the same message sent four different times, from three different people, including Greg Jarboe, co-founder of the marketing firm SEO-PR." ReelSEO (now known as Tubular Insights) responded to the complaint by by saying 'opt out'.
This is not illegal spam under CAN-SPAM. However, and IMO, Crowell does correctly refer to it as spam. This is within the usual cultural definition of spamming.
What are the "devastating social consequences" which resulted from that verified claim? I note that ReelSEO is still in business, under the new name "Tubular Insights". Should Crowell and others avoid using the term 'spammer' for anything other than verifiable CAN SPAM violations, because of these consequences?
Now, imagine that someone made a claim of being raped, and had evidence to prove it. Do you really think that the reactions would be the same? (Nor can one "opt out" of rape, showing yet again it's a poor analogy.)
As for "a multibillion dollar corporation suing you"; I look at how ACORN was shut down due to partially falsified and selectively edited videos when the ACORN members did nothing illegal or inappropriate. The devastation came from how FB's money and power could magnify any sort of FUD.
Now, I can be wrong. Wikipedia tells me that ~1% of all spam really meets CAN SPAM's requirements, so there are a lot of spammers out there. Who else has faced the devastating social consequences of being called a spammer?
- ghurtado 10y agoSome very valid points indeed. > What are the "devastating social consequences" which resulted from that verified claim? If there's one thing I can confidently back off from is having used the word "devastating". That was, in hindsight, rather hyperbolic. I think at this point I'm defending the analogy far more than I intended to. I'm not in love with it, I just thought it was being misperceived as an analogy of consequences of the crime itself, when to me it was meant to illustrate a comparison between two crimes which (justly or not) are known for being associated with false accusations / low burden of proof. > Who else has faced the devastating social consequences of being called a spammer? If we drop the words "devastating" and "social" from the question (which I realize I introduced), the answer would be "any business who has unfairly been blacklisted by mail providers, blacklisted from Google search results, has had their hosting account suspended, or has been targeted by things like DDoS attacks". These cases do exist, and I've worked at companies affected by this. I do agree now that the consequences (specially at a personal level) are clearly not as serious as being falsely accused of rape. Thanks for the discussion :)