Yeah, Java has kind of "choked the ecosystem" for the last decade. That monster needs to retire before the industry can move forward (the language, at least, t

Yeah, Java has kind of "choked the ecosystem" for the last decade. That monster needs to retire before the industry can move forward (the language, at least, the JVM seems to work well). Java generics seem easy enough to instantiate and use, but the mess when you implement one really discourages people from trying, usually. And if you do, the result is often a poster child for FUGLY code. Try declaring a java 8 lambda parameter that works with collections some time, and using that in a few places - serious COBOL-fingers and eye-burn time. Even a Pascal style "type" or C style "typedef" mechanism would have greatly reduced clutter when trying to create code that implements (java) generic operations. Die, Java, die :-)