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Eh, you can do rapid prototyping-type garbage code in any language you are proficient in, as you can do the endless-architeture-meeting, special snowflake beaut

by arpa 10y ago

Eh, you can do rapid prototyping-type garbage code in any language you are proficient in, as you can do the endless-architeture-meeting, special snowflake beautiful code, enterprise-level everything documented and automatically tested continuos integration and deployment to the most popular containerized/virtualized environment for a reasonable price of $millions in PHP or even bash or powershell. V1 is usually shit in any language and if it does what it's supposed to do, it remains shit forever. I've seen shit in C#, Java, and ROR. I've seen stored procedures stringed together inside MSSQL Server vomiting HTML snippets and PS shells giving birth to Excel files to be consumed via network share by some poor soul pressing a button in Excel. I've seen systems written in "enterprise" style, by "enterprise" developers without a single automated test and 20+ levels of abstraction with cross-dependencies running like spider web among 10-some "sub-projects". I'm not even talking about time-tested shell scripts you can find included by default in your favorite distro or the widely beloved ./configure. I guess the point is, the language has nothing to do with the attitude of the developer / project manager / product owner. It's easy and convenient to just dump your problems on the tool you're using, but the reality is more deeply rooted in the whole approach to software development (just get shit done), project management (the requirements have just changed, dude!) and the general "i need it done last week" attitude of the product owners. But sure, let's collectively shit on PHP, just because it's easier. Just like writing shit code is.

pc86 10y ago
I work in C# every day. I love the language, I love Visual Studio, I love the application lifecycle management features of the ecosystem. There's very little I don't like, or at least understand. I started my career as a PHP developer. Any web project you prototype in C# could be prototyped in PHP in a small fraction of the time.
- arpa 10y ago
  And any PHP thing could be easily prototyped in C# using MVC framework or such. 0 to http-response time is easily comparable if not even faster to what you'd have with PHP. You don't even need IIS. C# is a fine language and I have enjoyed it thoroughly before returning to PHP after some years, but you also can breed monsters with it. Cheers!
  - toast0 10y ago
    touch public_html/foo.php gets me to a http 200 with a valid php file (with the assumption that i already have a public_html directory with mod_php or the like enabled), how fast can you get a C# to http 200 ? :)
    - arpa 10y ago
      I have IIS running with c:\inetpub online (just like you have apache with mod_php). I put a valid foo.ashx up there and voila - the field is level. Okay, the invocation is a bit heavier, <%@ WebHandler Language="C#" Class="Handler" %> using System; using System.Web; public class Handler : IHttpHandler { public void ProcessRequest (HttpContext context) { ... code ... versus just <?php but, come on, it's not that bad/difficult, is it? on an tangential note - I never had imagined i'd be defending the point that C# is as simple as any other language... Funny how life sometimes takes you to unexpected places.

by arpa 10y ago

pc86 10y ago

I work in C# every day. I love the language, I love Visual Studio, I love the application lifecycle management features of the ecosystem. There's very little I don't like, or at least understand. I started my career as a PHP developer. Any web project you prototype in C# could be prototyped in PHP in a small fraction of the time.

arpa 10y ago
And any PHP thing could be easily prototyped in C# using MVC framework or such. 0 to http-response time is easily comparable if not even faster to what you'd have with PHP. You don't even need IIS. C# is a fine language and I have enjoyed it thoroughly before returning to PHP after some years, but you also can breed monsters with it. Cheers!
- toast0 10y ago
  touch public_html/foo.php gets me to a http 200 with a valid php file (with the assumption that i already have a public_html directory with mod_php or the like enabled), how fast can you get a C# to http 200 ? :)
  - arpa 10y ago
    I have IIS running with c:\inetpub online (just like you have apache with mod_php). I put a valid foo.ashx up there and voila - the field is level. Okay, the invocation is a bit heavier, <%@ WebHandler Language="C#" Class="Handler" %> using System; using System.Web; public class Handler : IHttpHandler { public void ProcessRequest (HttpContext context) { ... code ... versus just <?php but, come on, it's not that bad/difficult, is it? on an tangential note - I never had imagined i'd be defending the point that C# is as simple as any other language... Funny how life sometimes takes you to unexpected places.