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that is objectively false.

by cdelsolar 10y ago

dexterdog 10y ago
Is it? Tell me what has objectively improved for blacks in the last 8 years.
- hvmonk 10y ago
  Fake promises, and dreams.
- kurthr 10y ago
  Wow... that's an easy one, but since you asked. Black US unemployment went from 15% (peaking at 16% a year later) in 2008 back down to 9.1% in 2016 (close to the 2007 pre-recession low). http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2011/ted_20111005.htm http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2011/ted_20111005.htm I encourage your fact based discovery of the economic condition of this country and it's citizens. Alternatively, we can all live in total fear of ISIS taking over the country. http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-isis-will-take-over-us-if-hillary-clinton-wins-election-509359 http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-isis-will-take-over-us-...
  - dexterdog 10y ago
    Black unemployment peaked at 16 when the national rate was 10. It dropped to 9.1 when the national rate is 5 so blacks did significantly worse than society as a whole.
    - qmalzp 10y ago
      Depends on how you look at it. Going from 84% to 90.9% employment rate represents an 8.21% increase in the proportion of black people who are employed. Going from 90% to 95% employment rate represents a 5.55% increase in the proportion of Americans who are employed.
    - kurthr 10y ago
      I am confused. How can a decrease in unemployment from 16% to 9 not be an objective improvement for american blacks in years? Do they look back from todays "hellscape" recovery and remember the wonder days when we wondered how many people would lose their jobs or homes to foreclosure? Or did they rejoice when black RNC head Michael Steele was forced to kowtow Rush Limbaugh after Obama was elected?
      - dexterdog 10y ago
        Because unemployment improved for everybody, but it improved for a significantly smaller percentage of blacks that it did for the population as a whole.
        nl 10y ago
        It dropped ~6.9% for blacks, ~5% for the population as a whole. Prior to the financial crisis it was 4.6% overall, 8.3% for blacks[1]. So now it is 8.9% worse that the per-crisis number for all employment (ie, (5-4.6)/4.6) vs 8.5% worse for blacks (ie (9-8.3)/8.3). Sure, I'm sure you can play with the numbers to give it the spin you want, and I can spin them the other way. But it's pretty difficult to argue that it is significantly worse now than it was before. [1] http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/race-and-ethnicity/archive/race_ethnicity_2007.pdf http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/race-and-ethnicity/archive/r...
    - kolinko 10y ago
      Do you understand the difference between speed and acceleration?

that is objectively false.

dexterdog 10y ago

Is it? Tell me what has objectively improved for blacks in the last 8 years.

hvmonk 10y ago
Fake promises, and dreams.
kurthr 10y ago
Wow... that's an easy one, but since you asked. Black US unemployment went from 15% (peaking at 16% a year later) in 2008 back down to 9.1% in 2016 (close to the 2007 pre-recession low). http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2011/ted_20111005.htm http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2011/ted_20111005.htm I encourage your fact based discovery of the economic condition of this country and it's citizens. Alternatively, we can all live in total fear of ISIS taking over the country. http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-isis-will-take-over-us-if-hillary-clinton-wins-election-509359 http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-isis-will-take-over-us-...
- dexterdog 10y ago
  Black unemployment peaked at 16 when the national rate was 10. It dropped to 9.1 when the national rate is 5 so blacks did significantly worse than society as a whole.
  - qmalzp 10y ago
    Depends on how you look at it. Going from 84% to 90.9% employment rate represents an 8.21% increase in the proportion of black people who are employed. Going from 90% to 95% employment rate represents a 5.55% increase in the proportion of Americans who are employed.
  - kurthr 10y ago
    I am confused. How can a decrease in unemployment from 16% to 9 not be an objective improvement for american blacks in years? Do they look back from todays "hellscape" recovery and remember the wonder days when we wondered how many people would lose their jobs or homes to foreclosure? Or did they rejoice when black RNC head Michael Steele was forced to kowtow Rush Limbaugh after Obama was elected?
    - dexterdog 10y ago
      Because unemployment improved for everybody, but it improved for a significantly smaller percentage of blacks that it did for the population as a whole.
      - nl 10y ago
        It dropped ~6.9% for blacks, ~5% for the population as a whole. Prior to the financial crisis it was 4.6% overall, 8.3% for blacks[1]. So now it is 8.9% worse that the per-crisis number for all employment (ie, (5-4.6)/4.6) vs 8.5% worse for blacks (ie (9-8.3)/8.3). Sure, I'm sure you can play with the numbers to give it the spin you want, and I can spin them the other way. But it's pretty difficult to argue that it is significantly worse now than it was before. [1] http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/race-and-ethnicity/archive/race_ethnicity_2007.pdf http://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/race-and-ethnicity/archive/r...
  - kolinko 10y ago
    Do you understand the difference between speed and acceleration?