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It's funny because when I think of "politicians who sow hatred, insecurity, fear and division for their own ends and don't care what mess they leave behind" I w

It's funny because when I think of "politicians who sow hatred, insecurity, fear and division for their own ends and don't care what mess they leave behind" I would first think of the Democrats.

ghostly_s 10y ago
So you just roll a 20-sided die to come up with your opinions, then?
- dexterdog 10y ago
  ?
  - arrosenberg 10y ago
    He's pointing out that the Republicans are objectively the more divisive party in 2016. To be fair, it goes back and forth - 10 years ago I would have agreed with you.
    - kristianc 10y ago
      Within the context of the song in 1964, Dylan was also objectively talking about Republicans (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy). But, as you say, it goes back and forth and in the 19th Century it was the Democrats who were known for this. Neither party has a great history with race.
cdelsolar 10y ago
that is objectively false.
- dexterdog 10y ago
  Is it? Tell me what has objectively improved for blacks in the last 8 years.
  - hvmonk 10y ago
    Fake promises, and dreams.
  - kurthr 10y ago
    Wow... that's an easy one, but since you asked. Black US unemployment went from 15% (peaking at 16% a year later) in 2008 back down to 9.1% in 2016 (close to the 2007 pre-recession low). http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2011/ted_20111005.htm http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2011/ted_20111005.htm I encourage your fact based discovery of the economic condition of this country and it's citizens. Alternatively, we can all live in total fear of ISIS taking over the country. http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-isis-will-take-over-us-if-hillary-clinton-wins-election-509359 http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-isis-will-take-over-us-...
    - dexterdog 10y ago
      Black unemployment peaked at 16 when the national rate was 10. It dropped to 9.1 when the national rate is 5 so blacks did significantly worse than society as a whole.
      - qmalzp 10y ago
        Depends on how you look at it. Going from 84% to 90.9% employment rate represents an 8.21% increase in the proportion of black people who are employed. Going from 90% to 95% employment rate represents a 5.55% increase in the proportion of Americans who are employed.
      - kurthr 10y ago
        I am confused. How can a decrease in unemployment from 16% to 9 not be an objective improvement for american blacks in years? Do they look back from todays "hellscape" recovery and remember the wonder days when we wondered how many people would lose their jobs or homes to foreclosure? Or did they rejoice when black RNC head Michael Steele was forced to kowtow Rush Limbaugh after Obama was elected?

It's funny because when I think of "politicians who sow hatred, insecurity, fear and division for their own ends and don't care what mess they leave behind" I would first think of the Democrats.

ghostly_s 10y ago

So you just roll a 20-sided die to come up with your opinions, then?

dexterdog 10y ago
?
- arrosenberg 10y ago
  He's pointing out that the Republicans are objectively the more divisive party in 2016. To be fair, it goes back and forth - 10 years ago I would have agreed with you.
  - kristianc 10y ago
    Within the context of the song in 1964, Dylan was also objectively talking about Republicans (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy). But, as you say, it goes back and forth and in the 19th Century it was the Democrats who were known for this. Neither party has a great history with race.

cdelsolar 10y ago

that is objectively false.

dexterdog 10y ago
Is it? Tell me what has objectively improved for blacks in the last 8 years.
- hvmonk 10y ago
  Fake promises, and dreams.
- kurthr 10y ago
  Wow... that's an easy one, but since you asked. Black US unemployment went from 15% (peaking at 16% a year later) in 2008 back down to 9.1% in 2016 (close to the 2007 pre-recession low). http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t02.htm http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2011/ted_20111005.htm http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2011/ted_20111005.htm I encourage your fact based discovery of the economic condition of this country and it's citizens. Alternatively, we can all live in total fear of ISIS taking over the country. http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-isis-will-take-over-us-if-hillary-clinton-wins-election-509359 http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-isis-will-take-over-us-...
  - dexterdog 10y ago
    Black unemployment peaked at 16 when the national rate was 10. It dropped to 9.1 when the national rate is 5 so blacks did significantly worse than society as a whole.
    - qmalzp 10y ago
      Depends on how you look at it. Going from 84% to 90.9% employment rate represents an 8.21% increase in the proportion of black people who are employed. Going from 90% to 95% employment rate represents a 5.55% increase in the proportion of Americans who are employed.
    - kurthr 10y ago
      I am confused. How can a decrease in unemployment from 16% to 9 not be an objective improvement for american blacks in years? Do they look back from todays "hellscape" recovery and remember the wonder days when we wondered how many people would lose their jobs or homes to foreclosure? Or did they rejoice when black RNC head Michael Steele was forced to kowtow Rush Limbaugh after Obama was elected?