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One of the Wikileaks "scandals" in this article is that Hillary Clinton advocates "a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders". Scandal? Come

One of the Wikileaks "scandals" in this article is that Hillary Clinton advocates "a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders". Scandal? Come on, that's not a scandal, that a policy position. Personally, I agree with free trade in general, so I'm not scandalized by this "revelation" one bit.

cmdrfred 10y ago
>Scandal? Come on, that's not a scandal, that a policy position. That is pretty clearly an endorsement for TPP (other leaks make this connection more obvious[0]). Hillary says she is not in favor of it, this seems to directly contradict that statement. Saying one thing behind closed doors and another in front of the voting public is a scandal to me. [0]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/leaked-emails-clinton-defending-tpp-late-june-2015/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/leaked-email...
- soundwave106 10y ago
  It is well known that Hillary Clinton was defending TPP as late as last year (and the "hemispheric common market" comment comes from 2013 -- http://fortune.com/2016/10/11/clinton-wikileaks/ http://fortune.com/2016/10/11/clinton-wikileaks/). It is also well known that Hillary Clinton has sort-of kind-of changed her position in response to the Bernie Sanders left pull. Yes, in my personal opinion it's probably not a strong pull, and Sanders voters who feel strongly against free trade / TPP / etc. are justified in feeling suspicious. But a speech from 2013 when she was openly promoting it doesn't exactly tell too much.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    >But a speech from 2013 when she was openly promoting it doesn't exactly tell too much. What about emails from last year? Consider that with the 'private position' and 'pubic position' comment and you are a fool if you think she will do anything she claims.
makomk 10y ago
Yes, "a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders" is a policy position - one she really wants to convince voters, especially Saunders supporters, that she doesn't hold. Whilst simultaneously convincing businesses who'd benefit from it that she does. Also, trade is already pretty damn free, which means that free trade agreements end up being largely about loosening safety standards, tightening IP laws, and other such measures that benefit big businesses over consumers.

cmdrfred 10y ago

>Scandal? Come on, that's not a scandal, that a policy position. That is pretty clearly an endorsement for TPP (other leaks make this connection more obvious[0]). Hillary says she is not in favor of it, this seems to directly contradict that statement. Saying one thing behind closed doors and another in front of the voting public is a scandal to me. [0]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/leaked-emails-clinton-defending-tpp-late-june-2015/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/leaked-email...

soundwave106 10y ago
It is well known that Hillary Clinton was defending TPP as late as last year (and the "hemispheric common market" comment comes from 2013 -- http://fortune.com/2016/10/11/clinton-wikileaks/ http://fortune.com/2016/10/11/clinton-wikileaks/). It is also well known that Hillary Clinton has sort-of kind-of changed her position in response to the Bernie Sanders left pull. Yes, in my personal opinion it's probably not a strong pull, and Sanders voters who feel strongly against free trade / TPP / etc. are justified in feeling suspicious. But a speech from 2013 when she was openly promoting it doesn't exactly tell too much.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  >But a speech from 2013 when she was openly promoting it doesn't exactly tell too much. What about emails from last year? Consider that with the 'private position' and 'pubic position' comment and you are a fool if you think she will do anything she claims.

makomk 10y ago

Yes, "a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders" is a policy position - one she really wants to convince voters, especially Saunders supporters, that she doesn't hold. Whilst simultaneously convincing businesses who'd benefit from it that she does. Also, trade is already pretty damn free, which means that free trade agreements end up being largely about loosening safety standards, tightening IP laws, and other such measures that benefit big businesses over consumers.