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That is what I was getting at -- the American government should favor creating American jobs -- but I firmly believe the US is the greatest nation in the histor

by ihsw 10y ago

That is what I was getting at -- the American government should favor creating American jobs -- but I firmly believe the US is the greatest nation in the history of the world. Nobody else has achieved this level of scientific and technological advancement, not by a long shot, and I think it is a direct result of policies that hold America above all else. The world may be ready for more supranational unions akin to the EU but it must occur under a framework where the consent of the governed is respected above all else, and I don't see that happening under a Clinton presidency and neither does Trump.

kbenson 10y ago
Part of it is long-term vs short-term thinking and planning. If you believe globalization will bring massive amounts of people out of poverty and into the market and that will result in more wealth bother overall and for Americans eventually, but at a cost of a reduced economic gain, or small economic regression, it may be a better strategy the focuses locally and has higher economic gain, but for a shorter period. It's impossible to know for certain how each strategy would actually play out over time, since there are far to many variables, but those outcomes are how I see the different sides approaching it. Globalization isn't for the benefit of the poor of other countries, that's just a positive externality politicians talk up because it's an added incentive.
jackcosgrove 10y ago
I agree the increasing anti-democratic policies of the liberal internationalists are very concerning. When this is coupled with contempt by elites for ordinary people it is a toxic environment that will breed extreme political reactions. The democratic deficit springs more from impatience and haughtiness among government officials, than with an actual need to reduce democracy to achieve long-term good policies, I believe.

by ihsw 10y ago

kbenson 10y ago

Part of it is long-term vs short-term thinking and planning. If you believe globalization will bring massive amounts of people out of poverty and into the market and that will result in more wealth bother overall and for Americans eventually, but at a cost of a reduced economic gain, or small economic regression, it may be a better strategy the focuses locally and has higher economic gain, but for a shorter period. It's impossible to know for certain how each strategy would actually play out over time, since there are far to many variables, but those outcomes are how I see the different sides approaching it. Globalization isn't for the benefit of the poor of other countries, that's just a positive externality politicians talk up because it's an added incentive.

jackcosgrove 10y ago

I agree the increasing anti-democratic policies of the liberal internationalists are very concerning. When this is coupled with contempt by elites for ordinary people it is a toxic environment that will breed extreme political reactions. The democratic deficit springs more from impatience and haughtiness among government officials, than with an actual need to reduce democracy to achieve long-term good policies, I believe.