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This is extremely obvious if you are non-partisan. Right now, there are huge issues about Clinton just released by wikileaks[0] she said that she has a "public

This is extremely obvious if you are non-partisan. Right now, there are huge issues about Clinton just released by wikileaks[0] she said that she has a "public position" and a "private position" to placate a room full of bankers (Read: Hey guys I won't really do any of that Bernie Sanders stuff, I'm just saying it for votes) CNN's top story: Trump said "grab her in the pussy" in 2005 [0]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/top-10-hillary-clinton-scandals-exposed-wikileaks/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/top-10-hilla...

hx87 10y ago
Having a public position and a private position is something everyone does--expressing your private position publicly is often detrimental to getting the goal of that position done, so you craft a public position more amenable to achieving that goal.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  ...and the goal is enriching her donors. As the other leaks show.
  - hx87 10y ago
    It's likely that they're all public positions--finance industry professionals are a 'public' like any other.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      This was leaked. She was asked at the beginning of her campaign to release the transcripts of these speeches, she said "I'll look into it"[0]. If it was intended to be public this sure is a hell of a way to go about making it so. I can't honestly tell you how she actually feels, but I can tell you that at very least she is a serial liar. [0]http://hillarytranscriptclock.com/ http://hillarytranscriptclock.com/
res0nat0r 10y ago
That's not at all what that means, she explained what that meant during the last debate. This is the issue with all of these "leaks", they can create a one sentence soundbyte and make uninformed people think conspiracy theories when in fact it is standard mundane work being done by people trying to fix complex problems involving many different groups of people who need to come together to find a solution. No wonder why the leaks are always in drips, no one is bothered or intelligent enough to spend more than 3 seconds analyzing the story they'll just re-post some nonsense from their Facebook feed and assume it is true. I think this is the exact reason Trump is where he is. The right wing media frenzy has come full force and the echo chamber has reached a new high. Unfortunately when he loses badly the conspiracy nonsense will come back full force in that he was cheated out of the election. No one but the subset of a subset of Republicans will believe this but it is what it is.
soundwave106 10y ago
One of the Wikileaks "scandals" in this article is that Hillary Clinton advocates "a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders". Scandal? Come on, that's not a scandal, that a policy position. Personally, I agree with free trade in general, so I'm not scandalized by this "revelation" one bit.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  >Scandal? Come on, that's not a scandal, that a policy position. That is pretty clearly an endorsement for TPP (other leaks make this connection more obvious[0]). Hillary says she is not in favor of it, this seems to directly contradict that statement. Saying one thing behind closed doors and another in front of the voting public is a scandal to me. [0]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/leaked-emails-clinton-defending-tpp-late-june-2015/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/leaked-email...
  - soundwave106 10y ago
    It is well known that Hillary Clinton was defending TPP as late as last year (and the "hemispheric common market" comment comes from 2013 -- http://fortune.com/2016/10/11/clinton-wikileaks/ http://fortune.com/2016/10/11/clinton-wikileaks/). It is also well known that Hillary Clinton has sort-of kind-of changed her position in response to the Bernie Sanders left pull. Yes, in my personal opinion it's probably not a strong pull, and Sanders voters who feel strongly against free trade / TPP / etc. are justified in feeling suspicious. But a speech from 2013 when she was openly promoting it doesn't exactly tell too much.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      >But a speech from 2013 when she was openly promoting it doesn't exactly tell too much. What about emails from last year? Consider that with the 'private position' and 'pubic position' comment and you are a fool if you think she will do anything she claims.
- makomk 10y ago

hx87 10y ago

Having a public position and a private position is something everyone does--expressing your private position publicly is often detrimental to getting the goal of that position done, so you craft a public position more amenable to achieving that goal.

cmdrfred 10y ago
...and the goal is enriching her donors. As the other leaks show.
- hx87 10y ago
  It's likely that they're all public positions--finance industry professionals are a 'public' like any other.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    This was leaked. She was asked at the beginning of her campaign to release the transcripts of these speeches, she said "I'll look into it"[0]. If it was intended to be public this sure is a hell of a way to go about making it so. I can't honestly tell you how she actually feels, but I can tell you that at very least she is a serial liar. [0]http://hillarytranscriptclock.com/ http://hillarytranscriptclock.com/

res0nat0r 10y ago

That's not at all what that means, she explained what that meant during the last debate. This is the issue with all of these "leaks", they can create a one sentence soundbyte and make uninformed people think conspiracy theories when in fact it is standard mundane work being done by people trying to fix complex problems involving many different groups of people who need to come together to find a solution. No wonder why the leaks are always in drips, no one is bothered or intelligent enough to spend more than 3 seconds analyzing the story they'll just re-post some nonsense from their Facebook feed and assume it is true. I think this is the exact reason Trump is where he is. The right wing media frenzy has come full force and the echo chamber has reached a new high. Unfortunately when he loses badly the conspiracy nonsense will come back full force in that he was cheated out of the election. No one but the subset of a subset of Republicans will believe this but it is what it is.

soundwave106 10y ago

One of the Wikileaks "scandals" in this article is that Hillary Clinton advocates "a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders". Scandal? Come on, that's not a scandal, that a policy position. Personally, I agree with free trade in general, so I'm not scandalized by this "revelation" one bit.

cmdrfred 10y ago
>Scandal? Come on, that's not a scandal, that a policy position. That is pretty clearly an endorsement for TPP (other leaks make this connection more obvious[0]). Hillary says she is not in favor of it, this seems to directly contradict that statement. Saying one thing behind closed doors and another in front of the voting public is a scandal to me. [0]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/leaked-emails-clinton-defending-tpp-late-june-2015/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/leaked-email...
- soundwave106 10y ago
  It is well known that Hillary Clinton was defending TPP as late as last year (and the "hemispheric common market" comment comes from 2013 -- http://fortune.com/2016/10/11/clinton-wikileaks/ http://fortune.com/2016/10/11/clinton-wikileaks/). It is also well known that Hillary Clinton has sort-of kind-of changed her position in response to the Bernie Sanders left pull. Yes, in my personal opinion it's probably not a strong pull, and Sanders voters who feel strongly against free trade / TPP / etc. are justified in feeling suspicious. But a speech from 2013 when she was openly promoting it doesn't exactly tell too much.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    >But a speech from 2013 when she was openly promoting it doesn't exactly tell too much. What about emails from last year? Consider that with the 'private position' and 'pubic position' comment and you are a fool if you think she will do anything she claims.
makomk 10y ago