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Here's Glenn Greenwald, who can hardly be accused of being right-wing or a Trump supporter, on media bias: The U.S. media is essentially 100 percent united

Here's Glenn Greenwald, who can hardly be accused of being right-wing or a Trump supporter, on media bias: The U.S. media is essentially 100 percent united, vehemently, against Trump, and preventing him from being elected president. I don’t have an actual problem with that because I share the premises on which it is based about why he poses such extreme dangers. But that doesn’t mean that as a journalist, or even just as a citizen, that I am willing to go along with any claim, no matter how fact-free, no matter how irrational, no matter how dangerous it could be, in order to bring Trump down. Although he doesn't name them, it seems to me he's likely referring to the vary news outlets you would consider beyond reproach (say, NYT or WaPo). Does this perhaps make you reconsider your position? EDIT: formatting.

mtanski 10y ago
It seams like in this election even traditionally right learning news papers like the WaPo or WSJ are pilling onto trump. Not to mention countless regional newspapers that have a right leaning edition staff. Bias disclosure: Left leaning, not by my own choice. More centrist, along the lines of the Economist editing staff view of the world. So not by choice, because there's not really centrism left.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  I think it has to do the carried interest and the anti TPP comments he has made more than anything.
- hx87 10y ago
  Hillary Clinton is solidly centrist--Sanders had to pull her to a left a tiny bit.
josefresco 10y ago
What hole do you have to be living in where you don't see or recognize the "media" outlets that support Trump? There are entire networks dedicated to it ... CNN is not the only "media" - get your head out of your ass Glenn.
dragonwriter 10y ago
Glenn Greenwood has essentially the level of anti-establihsment-media (and pro-conspiracy) bias that he accuses the establishment media of having anti-Trump bias, so, no, him saying something like this doesn't make me reconsider anything. Not all bias is based in partisan politics.
JeremyNT 10y ago
I was curious about this Greenwald quote, which does not really match my perception of recent media coverage, so I went and looked up the date[0]: the article in which the quote appears was published in July. Greenwald's context here is mostly (or entirely? I'm not sure when the interview itself was conducted) based on the primary process, which certainly seemed strongly anti-Trump, to the extent that many outlets even refused to believe what the polls were telling them [1]. [0] http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2016/07/glenn_greenwald_on_donald_trump_the_dnc_hack_and_a_new_mccarthyism.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogatio... [1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundi...
- 551199 10y ago
  I don't vote but the media bias against Trump is absolutely ridiculous. Makes me question everything I've read from the news. False story after story. Clinton campaigns Wikileaks emails confirm a vast media collaboration campaign to smear Trump and avoid negative Clinton stories. Considering Greenwalt: October 11 2016, Glenn Greenwald: In the Democratic Echo Chamber, Inconvenient Truths Are Recast as Putin Plots https://theintercept.com/2016/10/11/in-the-democratic-echo-chamber-inconvenient-truths-are-recast-as-putin-plots/ https://theintercept.com/2016/10/11/in-the-democratic-echo-c...
  - res0nat0r 10y ago
    > False story after story. What is false?
    - 551199 10y ago
      Clinton & Media narrative that Trump is ‘crazy racist’ is completely fabricated[0]. You can find it from the Wikileaks as well. [0]http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146605145036/persuasion-update-clinton-vs-trump http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146605145036/persuasion-update-...
      - 10y ago
cmdrfred 10y ago
This is extremely obvious if you are non-partisan. Right now, there are huge issues about Clinton just released by wikileaks[0] she said that she has a "public position" and a "private position" to placate a room full of bankers (Read: Hey guys I won't really do any of that Bernie Sanders stuff, I'm just saying it for votes) CNN's top story: Trump said "grab her in the pussy" in 2005 [0]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/top-10-hillary-clinton-scandals-exposed-wikileaks/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/top-10-hilla...
- hx87 10y ago
  Having a public position and a private position is something everyone does--expressing your private position publicly is often detrimental to getting the goal of that position done, so you craft a public position more amenable to achieving that goal.
  - cmdrfred 10y ago
    ...and the goal is enriching her donors. As the other leaks show.
    - hx87 10y ago
      It's likely that they're all public positions--finance industry professionals are a 'public' like any other.
      - cmdrfred 10y ago
        This was leaked. She was asked at the beginning of her campaign to release the transcripts of these speeches, she said "I'll look into it"[0]. If it was intended to be public this sure is a hell of a way to go about making it so. I can't honestly tell you how she actually feels, but I can tell you that at very least she is a serial liar. [0]http://hillarytranscriptclock.com/ http://hillarytranscriptclock.com/
- res0nat0r 10y ago
hx87 10y ago
> no matter how fact-free, no matter how irrational, no matter how dangerous The allegations against Trump are based on fact, rational, and hardly dangerous.
- bbctol 10y ago
  There I believe he was referring specifically to the breaking story that Trump's descriptions of leaked Hillary emails were fed to him by Russian propagandists, a story with little basis in fact.
  - int_19h 10y ago
    It may be a story with little proof and mostly conjecture, but we don't know if it has little basis in fact, or not. There is plenty of circumstantial but fairly damning evidence linking the Trump campaign to Russia.
- 551199 10y ago
  Like the rational 'fact' that Trump is a Russian agent. Please.
  - res0nat0r 10y ago
    No one claimed that. They are just repeating the fact that he praises Putin more than Obama. Repeating words that directly come out of his mouth isn't bias.
  - hx87 10y ago
    Nobody is claiming that he is a Russian agent. At most, they are claiming that he is rhetorically pro-Russian, perhaps because of admiration for Putin's leadership style, perhaps because of hopes for future deals in Russia in case the 'running for President' thing doesn't work out.
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nihonde 10y ago
Do people really see the NYT as beyond reproach in 2016? They pushed Hillary so hard during the primaries, and every day they add a few points to their 'Hillary is guaranteed to win' graphic. They were instrumental in sidelining Sanders. NYT's institutional bias is utterly flagrant--perhaps not as crass as HuffPo, but offensively biased nonetheless.
nihonde 10y ago
Do people really see the NYT as beyond reproach in 2016? They pushed Hillary so hard during the primaries, and every day they add a few points to their 'Hillary is guaranteed to win' graphic. They were instrumental in sidelining Sanders. NYT's institutional bias is utterly flagrant--perhaps not as crass as HuffPo, but offensively biased nonetheless.
nihonde 10y ago
Do people really see the NYT as beyond reproach in 2016? They pushed Hillary so hard during the primaries, and every day they add a few points to their 'Hillary is guaranteed to win' graphic. They were instrumental in sidelining Sanders. NYT's institutional bias is utterly flagrant--perhaps not as crass as HuffPo, but offensively biased nonetheless.
TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago
When you block quote the text like that it is a pain in the kidney to read on mobile. Just use asterisks around text. Block quote is intended for code to retain formatting.

mtanski 10y ago

It seams like in this election even traditionally right learning news papers like the WaPo or WSJ are pilling onto trump. Not to mention countless regional newspapers that have a right leaning edition staff. Bias disclosure: Left leaning, not by my own choice. More centrist, along the lines of the Economist editing staff view of the world. So not by choice, because there's not really centrism left.

cmdrfred 10y ago
I think it has to do the carried interest and the anti TPP comments he has made more than anything.
hx87 10y ago
Hillary Clinton is solidly centrist--Sanders had to pull her to a left a tiny bit.

josefresco 10y ago

What hole do you have to be living in where you don't see or recognize the "media" outlets that support Trump? There are entire networks dedicated to it ... CNN is not the only "media" - get your head out of your ass Glenn.

dragonwriter 10y ago

Glenn Greenwood has essentially the level of anti-establihsment-media (and pro-conspiracy) bias that he accuses the establishment media of having anti-Trump bias, so, no, him saying something like this doesn't make me reconsider anything. Not all bias is based in partisan politics.

JeremyNT 10y ago

I was curious about this Greenwald quote, which does not really match my perception of recent media coverage, so I went and looked up the date[0]: the article in which the quote appears was published in July. Greenwald's context here is mostly (or entirely? I'm not sure when the interview itself was conducted) based on the primary process, which certainly seemed strongly anti-Trump, to the extent that many outlets even refused to believe what the polls were telling them [1]. [0] http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogation/2016/07/glenn_greenwald_on_donald_trump_the_dnc_hack_and_a_new_mccarthyism.html http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/interrogatio... [1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundi...

551199 10y ago
I don't vote but the media bias against Trump is absolutely ridiculous. Makes me question everything I've read from the news. False story after story. Clinton campaigns Wikileaks emails confirm a vast media collaboration campaign to smear Trump and avoid negative Clinton stories. Considering Greenwalt: October 11 2016, Glenn Greenwald: In the Democratic Echo Chamber, Inconvenient Truths Are Recast as Putin Plots https://theintercept.com/2016/10/11/in-the-democratic-echo-chamber-inconvenient-truths-are-recast-as-putin-plots/ https://theintercept.com/2016/10/11/in-the-democratic-echo-c...
- res0nat0r 10y ago
  > False story after story. What is false?
  - 551199 10y ago
    Clinton & Media narrative that Trump is ‘crazy racist’ is completely fabricated[0]. You can find it from the Wikileaks as well. [0]http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146605145036/persuasion-update-clinton-vs-trump http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146605145036/persuasion-update-...
    - 10y ago

cmdrfred 10y ago

This is extremely obvious if you are non-partisan. Right now, there are huge issues about Clinton just released by wikileaks[0] she said that she has a "public position" and a "private position" to placate a room full of bankers (Read: Hey guys I won't really do any of that Bernie Sanders stuff, I'm just saying it for votes) CNN's top story: Trump said "grab her in the pussy" in 2005 [0]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/top-10-hillary-clinton-scandals-exposed-wikileaks/ http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/oct/12/top-10-hilla...

hx87 10y ago
Having a public position and a private position is something everyone does--expressing your private position publicly is often detrimental to getting the goal of that position done, so you craft a public position more amenable to achieving that goal.
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  ...and the goal is enriching her donors. As the other leaks show.
  - hx87 10y ago
    It's likely that they're all public positions--finance industry professionals are a 'public' like any other.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      This was leaked. She was asked at the beginning of her campaign to release the transcripts of these speeches, she said "I'll look into it"[0]. If it was intended to be public this sure is a hell of a way to go about making it so. I can't honestly tell you how she actually feels, but I can tell you that at very least she is a serial liar. [0]http://hillarytranscriptclock.com/ http://hillarytranscriptclock.com/
res0nat0r 10y ago

hx87 10y ago

> no matter how fact-free, no matter how irrational, no matter how dangerous The allegations against Trump are based on fact, rational, and hardly dangerous.

bbctol 10y ago
There I believe he was referring specifically to the breaking story that Trump's descriptions of leaked Hillary emails were fed to him by Russian propagandists, a story with little basis in fact.
- int_19h 10y ago
  It may be a story with little proof and mostly conjecture, but we don't know if it has little basis in fact, or not. There is plenty of circumstantial but fairly damning evidence linking the Trump campaign to Russia.
551199 10y ago
Like the rational 'fact' that Trump is a Russian agent. Please.
- res0nat0r 10y ago
  No one claimed that. They are just repeating the fact that he praises Putin more than Obama. Repeating words that directly come out of his mouth isn't bias.
- hx87 10y ago
  Nobody is claiming that he is a Russian agent. At most, they are claiming that he is rhetorically pro-Russian, perhaps because of admiration for Putin's leadership style, perhaps because of hopes for future deals in Russia in case the 'running for President' thing doesn't work out.

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nihonde 10y ago

Do people really see the NYT as beyond reproach in 2016? They pushed Hillary so hard during the primaries, and every day they add a few points to their 'Hillary is guaranteed to win' graphic. They were instrumental in sidelining Sanders. NYT's institutional bias is utterly flagrant--perhaps not as crass as HuffPo, but offensively biased nonetheless.

nihonde 10y ago

TheSpiceIsLife 10y ago

When you block quote the text like that it is a pain in the kidney to read on mobile. Just use asterisks around text. Block quote is intended for code to retain formatting.