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But everything has biases. Objectivity is a fib used by bullshit factories like RT to cast doubt over everything. It's not about bias at all, it's about credi

But everything has biases. Objectivity is a fib used by bullshit factories like RT to cast doubt over everything. It's not about bias at all, it's about credibility. NYT has credibility, BBC, NPR, The Times of London, Guardian, etc all do. RT, HuffPo, Brietbart do not.

gadders 10y ago
I wouldn't say they have zero credibility, but I would put it on a sliding scale. However, places like Drudge, Buzzfeed have broken stories before so I wouldn't dismiss them out of hand.
drzaiusapelord 10y ago
The Guardian which is extremely left leaning and makes questionable claims like "black torture sites in Chicago." I've been to the Homan station. You can walk in. Its not a "black site" nor is torture done there, at least no proof than some drug addict's claims with zero followup or physical evidence or jury conviction. Worse, the 48 hour holding without charges period which are often claimed to be "illegal" are perfectly legal as per Illinois law. Almost all states allow a 24-48 hour holding period. The "black site" narrative went completely unquestioned in the liberal press. There is zero self-policing here or signs of skepticism with liberal claims. Heck, the "clock boy" was lauded by the liberal press and Obama for being this amazing genius being attacked by racists, when it was a purposeful ruse to get teachers scared to make this kid and his dad celebrities for the purpose of helping his dad's political career and perhaps a big jury payout for "damages" soon. Only hated skeptic Richard Dawkins was remotely skeptical of these claims only to be drowned out on Twitter by liberals calling him a racist. I think a lot of this is liberal bias. Liberals can't see their own bias objectively because they're too close to the problem, the same way conservatives can't see bias at Fox. Guardian, Independent, Salon, etc are just as bad as Brietbart if not worse, because they sell the idea of being 'fact-based' when they're propaganda outlets for a certain viewpoint which generates ad impressions and gets subscriptions via endless outrage, anti-US bias, and pandering to our emotions. Lets stop pretending liberals don't have their army of brietbarts too.

gadders 10y ago

I wouldn't say they have zero credibility, but I would put it on a sliding scale. However, places like Drudge, Buzzfeed have broken stories before so I wouldn't dismiss them out of hand.

drzaiusapelord 10y ago

The Guardian which is extremely left leaning and makes questionable claims like "black torture sites in Chicago." I've been to the Homan station. You can walk in. Its not a "black site" nor is torture done there, at least no proof than some drug addict's claims with zero followup or physical evidence or jury conviction. Worse, the 48 hour holding without charges period which are often claimed to be "illegal" are perfectly legal as per Illinois law. Almost all states allow a 24-48 hour holding period. The "black site" narrative went completely unquestioned in the liberal press. There is zero self-policing here or signs of skepticism with liberal claims. Heck, the "clock boy" was lauded by the liberal press and Obama for being this amazing genius being attacked by racists, when it was a purposeful ruse to get teachers scared to make this kid and his dad celebrities for the purpose of helping his dad's political career and perhaps a big jury payout for "damages" soon. Only hated skeptic Richard Dawkins was remotely skeptical of these claims only to be drowned out on Twitter by liberals calling him a racist. I think a lot of this is liberal bias. Liberals can't see their own bias objectively because they're too close to the problem, the same way conservatives can't see bias at Fox. Guardian, Independent, Salon, etc are just as bad as Brietbart if not worse, because they sell the idea of being 'fact-based' when they're propaganda outlets for a certain viewpoint which generates ad impressions and gets subscriptions via endless outrage, anti-US bias, and pandering to our emotions. Lets stop pretending liberals don't have their army of brietbarts too.