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> You're full of shit. If you said that, I would have respected you, even though we disagreed. > In my experience, that's not actually true. Now I know you'r

by 4ad 10y ago

> You're full of shit. If you said that, I would have respected you, even though we disagreed. > In my experience, that's not actually true. Now I know you're just PC police, and that I have nothing to gain by further engaging with you. I have no respect for you. So no, you are wrong. People don't work like that. Or at least people worth talking to are not like that. People see through all the PC bullshit, and respond accordingly. > It simply wasn't worth my time to wade through the insults and abuse to get things done any more. Yeah, this kind of PC attitude it's not worth my time. People who can't, just discuss PC politics, while people who can, just do, and don't care about any of this stuff.

4ad 10y ago
To add to that, please note one thing though. Here we are in a public space, if you (some generic you, not you david-given in particular) say or do what I consider to be a stupid thing, I will just ignore you. I will certainly not insult you. Why would I? I have better things to do. But if you come into my house and start spitting on the floor, don't get too surprised if I punch you in the face and throw you out. Perhaps I might even insult you. You're in my house, I won't tolerate this kind of behavior. You are forcing me to act just because you are in my house. Theo and Linus don't come in public spaces (like HN) to start insulting people. They might insult people when they come to the OpenBSD/Linux space and start spitting on the floor. To further the analogy, unannounced people come and spit on the floor. This is a very deep and fundamental difference. And just because everyone can see and participate in the discussion, make no mistake, it's still an OpenBSD or Linux space. Not some generic fantasy land. I might hold a party and my house where everyone can come, but if you come and don't behave, I will take measures and you can whine all you want about my non PC behavior.
jerf 10y ago
"Now I know you're just PC police, and that I have nothing to gain by further engaging with you." That's not PC police. This is How To Win Friends And Influence People stuff, not PC stuff. You are free to be rude, but you'll pay the consequences, quite needlessly. I'm in a position where I with some frequency have to contradict people (being a code reviewer for a significant internal shared library has that result), but I try to make it clear in my words and tone that it's in the spirit of working with them and obtaining the best solution. I'm pretty sure it's not 100% successful, because some people to some extent can't process being contradicted in any way as anything less than hostility (and I put both "somes" in that sentence on purpose), no matter how polite you are about it, and on my side, I'm absolutely sure I'm not perfect about it, but I am sure I'm better off than I would be if I was always being as blunt as possible without even trying.

by 4ad 10y ago

4ad 10y ago

To add to that, please note one thing though. Here we are in a public space, if you (some generic you, not you david-given in particular) say or do what I consider to be a stupid thing, I will just ignore you. I will certainly not insult you. Why would I? I have better things to do. But if you come into my house and start spitting on the floor, don't get too surprised if I punch you in the face and throw you out. Perhaps I might even insult you. You're in my house, I won't tolerate this kind of behavior. You are forcing me to act just because you are in my house. Theo and Linus don't come in public spaces (like HN) to start insulting people. They might insult people when they come to the OpenBSD/Linux space and start spitting on the floor. To further the analogy, unannounced people come and spit on the floor. This is a very deep and fundamental difference. And just because everyone can see and participate in the discussion, make no mistake, it's still an OpenBSD or Linux space. Not some generic fantasy land. I might hold a party and my house where everyone can come, but if you come and don't behave, I will take measures and you can whine all you want about my non PC behavior.

jerf 10y ago

"Now I know you're just PC police, and that I have nothing to gain by further engaging with you." That's not PC police. This is How To Win Friends And Influence People stuff, not PC stuff. You are free to be rude, but you'll pay the consequences, quite needlessly. I'm in a position where I with some frequency have to contradict people (being a code reviewer for a significant internal shared library has that result), but I try to make it clear in my words and tone that it's in the spirit of working with them and obtaining the best solution. I'm pretty sure it's not 100% successful, because some people to some extent can't process being contradicted in any way as anything less than hostility (and I put both "somes" in that sentence on purpose), no matter how polite you are about it, and on my side, I'm absolutely sure I'm not perfect about it, but I am sure I'm better off than I would be if I was always being as blunt as possible without even trying.