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NYT might publish actual stories, but they also publish what is effectively propaganda. A lot of more "legitimate" news sources also have a tendency to selectiv

NYT might publish actual stories, but they also publish what is effectively propaganda. A lot of more "legitimate" news sources also have a tendency to selective report on things which fit a pre-established narrative on a topic that can effectively bury the truth. Here's an example where CNN did this: http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/cnn-edits-out-milwaukee-victims-sister-sherelle-sm/ http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/16/cnn-edits-out-... And sadly the Washington Times is the least biased source that I could find that even talked about it. That's why sites like Breitbart are able to be so successful. It's easy to build credibility by pointing out things like this, and then the rest of it can just be propaganda.

mtberatwork 10y ago
I'm not seeing how your example is actual propaganda when it is more easily attributed to human error. If CNN were pushing this as a propaganda piece, they never would have issued a follow up statement correcting themselves.
- AlexB138 10y ago
  They issued a statement after they were very publicly called out on it.
  - mtberatwork 10y ago
    That still does not prove propaganda was deliberately being pushed by CNN. We should not be so quick to dismiss Hanlon's razor.
- seertaak 10y ago
  Well, ok. However it seems to me that those leaning right don't give CNN and the like the benefit of the doubt, and equally those leaning left don't give the likes of Breitbart the benefit of the doubt -- which brings us back to the parent posters position :)
  - paulmd 10y ago
    Breitbart is a tabloid that pretends to respectability, much like the British tabloid The Daily Mail. They use that respectability to push their (explicit, strong) slant. If you're comparing CNN and Breitbart then their camouflage is sucessful. Benefit of the doubt needs to be earned. I mean, hopefully you are not taking supermarket-checkout tabloids at face value, right? CNN may be terrible journalism that's full of softballs and "clickbait" but at the end of the day the things they report are true and when they're not they retract them. Can't say the same about Breitbart in the least.
    - aaron-lebo 10y ago
      CNN has been doing a lot of selective editing this cycle. They also tend to focus on things that support their narrative. You can focus on things that are completely true and effectively "lie" about those truths because of the way you are presenting it. Softballs and clickbait aren't any more true than lies.
- jsmith0295 10y ago
  There is no way to clip that video where they did on accident and then spin the story the way they did. They didn't issue that apology until they were caught, which is the exact same thing a politician would do.
makomk 10y ago
Yeah, Witness, for example, how the NYT spun the fact that Trump may have been able to use past business losses to offset income for tax purposes as some diabolical tax avoidance scheme not available to ordinary people, even describing it as a government bailout. Letting business owners earn back the money they've lost without adding insult to injury by taxing them on it is not a "bailout" in any normal sense of the word, just how income tax works for businesses, and while losing money does avoid income tax it doesn't exactly benefit the person doing it.

mtberatwork 10y ago

I'm not seeing how your example is actual propaganda when it is more easily attributed to human error. If CNN were pushing this as a propaganda piece, they never would have issued a follow up statement correcting themselves.

AlexB138 10y ago
They issued a statement after they were very publicly called out on it.
- mtberatwork 10y ago
  That still does not prove propaganda was deliberately being pushed by CNN. We should not be so quick to dismiss Hanlon's razor.
seertaak 10y ago
Well, ok. However it seems to me that those leaning right don't give CNN and the like the benefit of the doubt, and equally those leaning left don't give the likes of Breitbart the benefit of the doubt -- which brings us back to the parent posters position :)
- paulmd 10y ago
  Breitbart is a tabloid that pretends to respectability, much like the British tabloid The Daily Mail. They use that respectability to push their (explicit, strong) slant. If you're comparing CNN and Breitbart then their camouflage is sucessful. Benefit of the doubt needs to be earned. I mean, hopefully you are not taking supermarket-checkout tabloids at face value, right? CNN may be terrible journalism that's full of softballs and "clickbait" but at the end of the day the things they report are true and when they're not they retract them. Can't say the same about Breitbart in the least.
  - aaron-lebo 10y ago
    CNN has been doing a lot of selective editing this cycle. They also tend to focus on things that support their narrative. You can focus on things that are completely true and effectively "lie" about those truths because of the way you are presenting it. Softballs and clickbait aren't any more true than lies.
jsmith0295 10y ago
There is no way to clip that video where they did on accident and then spin the story the way they did. They didn't issue that apology until they were caught, which is the exact same thing a politician would do.

makomk 10y ago

Yeah, Witness, for example, how the NYT spun the fact that Trump may have been able to use past business losses to offset income for tax purposes as some diabolical tax avoidance scheme not available to ordinary people, even describing it as a government bailout. Letting business owners earn back the money they've lost without adding insult to injury by taxing them on it is not a "bailout" in any normal sense of the word, just how income tax works for businesses, and while losing money does avoid income tax it doesn't exactly benefit the person doing it.