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> You make it sound illogical. > As a religious conservative, I do really want that supreme court seat. That factors heavily in the decision. Sorry, that's my

> You make it sound illogical. > As a religious conservative, I do really want that supreme court seat. That factors heavily in the decision. Sorry, that's my bias seeping in. I respect your choice. > The President has to really ask for permission for everything else (laws, budgets, wars, etc.), but justice nomination is very largely his choice. Don't be surprised if that factors heavily in my decision. Not nuclear. He could launch with approval of his self-chosen cabinet, or choose not to defend our allies, resulting in more tensions in areas prone to nuclear war. Personally I think the risks posed by Trump with his thumb on the nuclear button are greater than the lives saved by repealing abortion rights. May God bless you and all of us through these tough times.

paulddraper 10y ago
> Personally I think the risks posed by Trump with his thumb on the nuclear button are greater than the lives saved by repealing abortion rights. 10 to 1 you're wrong. https://xkcd.com/1132/ https://xkcd.com/1132/
- unityByFreedom 10y ago
  > 10 to 1 one you're wrong. https://xkcd.com/1132/ https://xkcd.com/1132/ What are the two scenarios you're referring to? That Trump does or does not contribute to a nuclear war? Trump trashes everyone who disagrees with him. He will likely increase tensions on the world stage.
  - colemickens 10y ago
    By every account, he already has. Numerous world leaders and multinational organizations have denounced him, specifically because of his dangerous rhetoric.
  - jeremyjh 10y ago
    Yes but if you are right and the world ends and he doesn't have to pay up. That's the joke.
    - kabouseng 10y ago
      Just as a discussion point (and going off topic and being maybe too pedantic) that is not how I understood the XKCD. The difference is that the one interpretation only takes into account the odds of the machine lying, the bayesian approach also takes into account the odds of the sun actually going nova, which is still neglible. Yes as a second consideration you can also take the view of the world will end, but that is not the point of the XKCD. And then drawing it to this discussion, yes the odds that Trump would be willing to start a nuclear war might be high, but combined with the odds of an actual nuclear war occurring the odds of it happening is still neglible.
  - tdkl 10y ago
    > He will likely increase tensions on the world stage. While Trumps opponent openly warns Russia of consequences. Lets be objective now.
    - unityByFreedom 10y ago
      >> He will likely increase tensions on the world stage. > While Trumps opponent openly warns Russia of consequences. Lets be objective now. Yes, let's. Russia is not an ally. There are consequences to its aggression. Trump, on the other hand, has repeatedly said we should extract more money from our allies in east asia, and that we should threaten to withdraw from Japan and South Korea. These are scenarios China and Russia would love to see play out. Trump argues NATO is obsolete. He defends Russia's annexation of Crimea, and he thinks we should give up Aleppo to Russian-friendly Assad. He thinks he knows more than the generals. At the same time, he claims he never thought about this stuff during his time as a businessman. The alternative to nuclear war is the proxy wars you see playing out in the middle east. Any concessions are gobbled up by whichever side backs down.
      - tdkl 10y ago
        > its aggression I see NATO bases all around the planet. > The alternative to nuclear war is the proxy wars you see playing out in the middle east. True. We also know who started that with leaders not bowing to the western interests. While Assad isn't exactly prince charming, his country wasn't in ruins as it is now. Same stands for Gaddafi and Hussein.
hueving 10y ago
>Personally I think the risks posed by Trump with his thumb on the nuclear button are greater than the lives saved by repealing abortion rights. I'm not sure if this was a subtle way to imply that, although the risk of Trump using the bomb is negligible, it's still greater than zero, which is the number of lives you consider lost to abortion. Impressive accidental troll. :) Realistically, what evidence do you have that Trump has any more likelihood of using a nuclear bomb against the wishes of congress than Hillary? Has he shown an inclination towards mass murder in other scenarios? Did he vote for the Iraq war?
- artimaeis 10y ago
  > Did he vote for the Iraq war? No, he's never served as a politician and so has no platform record. He's never demonstrated an ability to serve his country so I don't understand why we should entrust him with our most powerful station. > Has he shown an inclination towards mass murder in other scenarios? I don't believe there's any evidence of that. > What evidence do you have that Trump has any more likelihood of using a nuclear bomb against the wishes of congress than Hillary? To me it's his lack of temperament. I'm confident he means what he says that he doesn't want to use nuclear weapons. But in dire situations which may arise, I personally do not trust his temperament or judgement in dealing with foreign powers. This is because he's shown many times that he only cares for the most short-term benefits. His tax plans demonstrate this, his inability to explain many of his plans demonstrates this, and his history in business demonstrates this.
- unityByFreedom 10y ago
  > Realistically, what evidence do you have that Trump has any more likelihood of using a nuclear bomb against the wishes of congress than Hillary? Has he shown an inclination towards mass murder in other scenarios? Trump reportedly asked three times why we could not use nuclear weapons in a private briefing. More importantly, he threatens to change the landscape of our deployed military so drastically that the moves would create opportunities for non-allies to take more aggressive positions against our allies. If we failed to protect our allies, the US economy would tank, due to all the outstanding treasuries. > Did he vote for the Iraq war? Obviously Trump could not have voted on the Iraq war. That's an invalid question.
mason240 10y ago
Personally I think people pushing this level of fear mongering should be embarrassed.
paulddraper 10y ago
> greater than the lives saved by repealing abortion rights That's a tall order. To put that claim in perspective, more Americans die in abortions every year than have died in combat in the entire history of the US. (Whether a fetus is a person is of course the point debated, but anyway, those are the numbers.)
- gilleain 10y ago
  > Whether a fetus is a person is of course the point debated, but anyway, those are the numbers More pedantically, they are surely not Americans either, since citizenship is conferred at birth?
  - paulddraper 10y ago
    Yes, that is pedantic. I'm talking about residency, not citizenship. Citizenship is more arbitrary: * Does citizenship include Native Americans? * Does citizenship include slaves? * Which of the Revolutionary War casualties were U.S. citizens?

paulddraper 10y ago

> Personally I think the risks posed by Trump with his thumb on the nuclear button are greater than the lives saved by repealing abortion rights. 10 to 1 you're wrong. https://xkcd.com/1132/ https://xkcd.com/1132/

unityByFreedom 10y ago
> 10 to 1 one you're wrong. https://xkcd.com/1132/ https://xkcd.com/1132/ What are the two scenarios you're referring to? That Trump does or does not contribute to a nuclear war? Trump trashes everyone who disagrees with him. He will likely increase tensions on the world stage.
- colemickens 10y ago
  By every account, he already has. Numerous world leaders and multinational organizations have denounced him, specifically because of his dangerous rhetoric.
- jeremyjh 10y ago
  Yes but if you are right and the world ends and he doesn't have to pay up. That's the joke.
  - kabouseng 10y ago
    Just as a discussion point (and going off topic and being maybe too pedantic) that is not how I understood the XKCD. The difference is that the one interpretation only takes into account the odds of the machine lying, the bayesian approach also takes into account the odds of the sun actually going nova, which is still neglible. Yes as a second consideration you can also take the view of the world will end, but that is not the point of the XKCD. And then drawing it to this discussion, yes the odds that Trump would be willing to start a nuclear war might be high, but combined with the odds of an actual nuclear war occurring the odds of it happening is still neglible.
- tdkl 10y ago
  > He will likely increase tensions on the world stage. While Trumps opponent openly warns Russia of consequences. Lets be objective now.
  - unityByFreedom 10y ago
    >> He will likely increase tensions on the world stage. > While Trumps opponent openly warns Russia of consequences. Lets be objective now. Yes, let's. Russia is not an ally. There are consequences to its aggression. Trump, on the other hand, has repeatedly said we should extract more money from our allies in east asia, and that we should threaten to withdraw from Japan and South Korea. These are scenarios China and Russia would love to see play out. Trump argues NATO is obsolete. He defends Russia's annexation of Crimea, and he thinks we should give up Aleppo to Russian-friendly Assad. He thinks he knows more than the generals. At the same time, he claims he never thought about this stuff during his time as a businessman. The alternative to nuclear war is the proxy wars you see playing out in the middle east. Any concessions are gobbled up by whichever side backs down.
    - tdkl 10y ago
      > its aggression I see NATO bases all around the planet. > The alternative to nuclear war is the proxy wars you see playing out in the middle east. True. We also know who started that with leaders not bowing to the western interests. While Assad isn't exactly prince charming, his country wasn't in ruins as it is now. Same stands for Gaddafi and Hussein.

hueving 10y ago

>Personally I think the risks posed by Trump with his thumb on the nuclear button are greater than the lives saved by repealing abortion rights. I'm not sure if this was a subtle way to imply that, although the risk of Trump using the bomb is negligible, it's still greater than zero, which is the number of lives you consider lost to abortion. Impressive accidental troll. :) Realistically, what evidence do you have that Trump has any more likelihood of using a nuclear bomb against the wishes of congress than Hillary? Has he shown an inclination towards mass murder in other scenarios? Did he vote for the Iraq war?

artimaeis 10y ago
> Did he vote for the Iraq war? No, he's never served as a politician and so has no platform record. He's never demonstrated an ability to serve his country so I don't understand why we should entrust him with our most powerful station. > Has he shown an inclination towards mass murder in other scenarios? I don't believe there's any evidence of that. > What evidence do you have that Trump has any more likelihood of using a nuclear bomb against the wishes of congress than Hillary? To me it's his lack of temperament. I'm confident he means what he says that he doesn't want to use nuclear weapons. But in dire situations which may arise, I personally do not trust his temperament or judgement in dealing with foreign powers. This is because he's shown many times that he only cares for the most short-term benefits. His tax plans demonstrate this, his inability to explain many of his plans demonstrates this, and his history in business demonstrates this.
unityByFreedom 10y ago
> Realistically, what evidence do you have that Trump has any more likelihood of using a nuclear bomb against the wishes of congress than Hillary? Has he shown an inclination towards mass murder in other scenarios? Trump reportedly asked three times why we could not use nuclear weapons in a private briefing. More importantly, he threatens to change the landscape of our deployed military so drastically that the moves would create opportunities for non-allies to take more aggressive positions against our allies. If we failed to protect our allies, the US economy would tank, due to all the outstanding treasuries. > Did he vote for the Iraq war? Obviously Trump could not have voted on the Iraq war. That's an invalid question.

mason240 10y ago

Personally I think people pushing this level of fear mongering should be embarrassed.

paulddraper 10y ago

> greater than the lives saved by repealing abortion rights That's a tall order. To put that claim in perspective, more Americans die in abortions every year than have died in combat in the entire history of the US. (Whether a fetus is a person is of course the point debated, but anyway, those are the numbers.)

gilleain 10y ago
> Whether a fetus is a person is of course the point debated, but anyway, those are the numbers More pedantically, they are surely not Americans either, since citizenship is conferred at birth?
- paulddraper 10y ago
  Yes, that is pedantic. I'm talking about residency, not citizenship. Citizenship is more arbitrary: * Does citizenship include Native Americans? * Does citizenship include slaves? * Which of the Revolutionary War casualties were U.S. citizens?