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>I'm perfectly fine with it all going to zero, as long as Musk and Company make as much headway as possible towards electric mobility and shifting us to renewab

>I'm perfectly fine with it all going to zero, as long as Musk and Company make as much headway as possible towards electric mobility and shifting us to renewables. You know you can root for Tesla without risking your financial future, right? Do you support the auto majors who are also doing much of the same work, but less so in the public eye?

Joof 10y ago
Not OP, but personally, I don't support them as much. Musk / Tesla created the demand for these vehicles. They have been technically achievable for a long time, but market forces were very against them. Why do R&D for a new type of engine when the one you already have is good enough and people buy them?
- icebraining 10y ago
  Why do R&D for a new type of engine when the one you already have is good enough and people buy them? Because the emissions limits start forcing you to sell them if you hope to sell a single truck or SUV? http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/california-and-western-states/californias-zev-program http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/california-and-western-...
  - Joof 10y ago
    When was that enacted? It's quite easy to run into 'technical limitations' or otherwise find ways to put pressure back on the law that effectively invalidate it. Or even cheat. Unless there are already existing cars that work that way.
- forgetsusername 10y ago
  >Musk / Tesla created the demand for these vehicles. I guess that depends on where you decide to "start". I'd argue that Ford created the everyday demand for these vehicles, and Tesla built off of that. >Why do R&D for a new type of engine when the one you already have is good enough and people buy them? Is that really how you think the majors work? That they aren't innovating? Sure, they are restricted in some fashion because they have an obligation to shareholders to produce value. But these people aren't stupid. They also don't care whehter they are selling you an ICE or an EV, as long as they are selling you.
  - Joof 10y ago
    I think they need pressure to innovate beyond the standard incremental innovations. Tesla played a strong part in providing that pressure for electric vehicles.

Joof 10y ago

Not OP, but personally, I don't support them as much. Musk / Tesla created the demand for these vehicles. They have been technically achievable for a long time, but market forces were very against them. Why do R&D for a new type of engine when the one you already have is good enough and people buy them?

icebraining 10y ago
Why do R&D for a new type of engine when the one you already have is good enough and people buy them? Because the emissions limits start forcing you to sell them if you hope to sell a single truck or SUV? http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/california-and-western-states/californias-zev-program http://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/california-and-western-...
- Joof 10y ago
  When was that enacted? It's quite easy to run into 'technical limitations' or otherwise find ways to put pressure back on the law that effectively invalidate it. Or even cheat. Unless there are already existing cars that work that way.
forgetsusername 10y ago
>Musk / Tesla created the demand for these vehicles. I guess that depends on where you decide to "start". I'd argue that Ford created the everyday demand for these vehicles, and Tesla built off of that. >Why do R&D for a new type of engine when the one you already have is good enough and people buy them? Is that really how you think the majors work? That they aren't innovating? Sure, they are restricted in some fashion because they have an obligation to shareholders to produce value. But these people aren't stupid. They also don't care whehter they are selling you an ICE or an EV, as long as they are selling you.
- Joof 10y ago
  I think they need pressure to innovate beyond the standard incremental innovations. Tesla played a strong part in providing that pressure for electric vehicles.