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You're not old enough to remember bussing in the 80s. Forced integration didn't work then, and it won't work now.

by 1_2__3 10y ago

rayiner 10y ago
The difference between good schools and bad ones isn't what is taught or even the teachers. It's the community. Bussing doesn't get kids out of failing communities into ones that work.
- 1_2__3 10y ago
  Sure, but neither does trying to put kids from vastly different socioeconomic strata into the same school and expect that to result in anything but misery for everyone. The core issue is the idea of mingling "underprivileged" kids with "privileged" ones; with intuitive expected result being some "lifting up" of the underprivileged kids at the expense of some of the education of the privileged kids. Except there's no evidence this helps the underprivileged kids. There's lot of evidence it completely screws over the privileged kids and the end result is a dumpster fire of social engineering proportions. It's why we don't try to do it anymore, and every new generation needs to be taught the lesson lest they repeat it.
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    Hm. I live at the edge of a University town with a rural population at the very other end of the socio-economic scale. I went to these schools once upon a time. It was not much different from other experiences I suppose - cliquishness, jocks and nerds and fashionistas and so on. My siblings, 6 of us brought up on feeding pigs and making hay and fixing fences, all ended up going to college in medicine and engineering. All professionals; all successful. I always credited our going to school with all those 'city kids' with their high expectations. So it can work.
  - scott_s 10y ago
    What evidence are you referring to? I have recently heard and read the opposite. See, for example: http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/562/the-problem-we-all-live-with http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/562/the... and http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/05/upshot/why-the-new-research-on-mobility-matters-an-economists-view.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/05/upshot/why-the-new-researc...

You're not old enough to remember bussing in the 80s. Forced integration didn't work then, and it won't work now.

by 1_2__3 10y ago

You're not old enough to remember bussing in the 80s. Forced integration didn't work then, and it won't work now.

The difference between good schools and bad ones isn't what is taught or even the teachers. It's the community. Bussing doesn't get kids out of failing communities into ones that work.

1_2__3 10y ago
Sure, but neither does trying to put kids from vastly different socioeconomic strata into the same school and expect that to result in anything but misery for everyone. The core issue is the idea of mingling "underprivileged" kids with "privileged" ones; with intuitive expected result being some "lifting up" of the underprivileged kids at the expense of some of the education of the privileged kids. Except there's no evidence this helps the underprivileged kids. There's lot of evidence it completely screws over the privileged kids and the end result is a dumpster fire of social engineering proportions. It's why we don't try to do it anymore, and every new generation needs to be taught the lesson lest they repeat it.
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  Hm. I live at the edge of a University town with a rural population at the very other end of the socio-economic scale. I went to these schools once upon a time. It was not much different from other experiences I suppose - cliquishness, jocks and nerds and fashionistas and so on. My siblings, 6 of us brought up on feeding pigs and making hay and fixing fences, all ended up going to college in medicine and engineering. All professionals; all successful. I always credited our going to school with all those 'city kids' with their high expectations. So it can work.
- scott_s 10y ago
  What evidence are you referring to? I have recently heard and read the opposite. See, for example: http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/562/the-problem-we-all-live-with http://m.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/562/the... and http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/05/upshot/why-the-new-research-on-mobility-matters-an-economists-view.html http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/05/upshot/why-the-new-researc...