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I'm not particularly ashamed to say I turn to unlicensed torrents for this purpose, but I would prefer if it weren't necessary. It's not necessary if you accep

I'm not particularly ashamed to say I turn to unlicensed torrents for this purpose, but I would prefer if it weren't necessary. It's not necessary if you accept the cost that the makers of these films want to charge you.

Nadya 10y ago
This assumes the product can still be purchased or is for sale in the country. Not every country has a licence to sell certain movies. Literally can't pay the money the makers of the films what they want to charge me because they don't want to charge me. This also applies to music and other products (though other products can't necessarily be pirated). My options are: a) Pirate the movie at no cost to the creator b) Do not watch the movie at no cost to the creator Morally - I don't see the difference. Financially - there is no difference. Culturally? There is a huge difference. Many people fail to realize how much culture is shared/discussed around movies/music (esp. American movies/music).
- jameslk 10y ago
  I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. This is actually a pretty good argument for why piracy is still relevant. There's been numerous occasions when I wanted to share something with a friend, but the content was blocked just because of geographical differences. These limitations create incentives to find the content elsewhere, which is usually illegitimate means.
  - novaleaf 10y ago
    I didn't downvote, but... well, honestly this is a bit of a strawman, if you consider that most of the internet using public is able to legally view the content in question. That a small percentage of people can't... OK that's true. but bringing that up as a reason why piracy can be justified doesn't really seem conductive to a cross-discussion.
    - Larrikin 10y ago
      What is a small percentage to you? Its extremely frustrating that there is basically no way to access large swaths of Japanese media because the companies don't think there is much market outside the country. They even go so far as to block their biggest stars on youtube. I thought it was extremely ironic that AKB's Fortune Cookie video was not watchable in the US on youtube, when the entire premise of the video was that people all around the world were posting videos on youtube doing the dance featured in the video because they had such a global reach. Good luck finding anything but the most popular animes legally in the US. I don't think I've ever even seen a Japanese drama through a legal means.
      - novaleaf 10y ago
        for what it's worth, i use torrents regularly, I just don't see this reason to be conductive to the argument. If a title is not available in a region, the copyright holder implicitly doesn't care at all. They care about piracy of their goods in regions where it's legally available for purchase. So sticking to arguments that revolve around that seem to make more sense, otherwise you are "preaching to the choir" as it were.
- Someone 10y ago
  c) Watch another movie, paying its creator (possibly the same as in option a) If the minority's of people do that, the shared culture is going to stay, but it will ignore the movie of options a) and b), and include that of option c).
  - Nadya 10y ago
    The culture surrounds the media. Changing the media changes the culture and even within sub-cultures those sub-cultures themselves have niches. Sometimes cultures even rise out of a singular media. You can't just replace "Vocaloid Music" (Miku, Rin, Luka) with "other synthetic vocals". It's "similar" but it is not "the same". The cultures around Gumi and other Megpoids differs from that around Miku and other Vocaloids.
    - Someone 10y ago
      Yes, _we_ can. If some group, by the way they choose to distribute their product, indicates it doesn't want to be part of culture, culture can easily adapt to include other music. When a billionaire buys a Van Gogh or it is sold to some museum far, far away, we look at other van Goghs. If all van Goghs were to get out of reach, some other painter would be brought to the spotlight and become _the_ painter. (And edit on my grandfather post: s/minority/majority)
      - Nadya 10y ago
        >by the way they choose to distribute their product, indicates it doesn't want to be part of culture, That isn't how that works. Cultures get built around things - those things don't "choose" their culture. Even creators do not get to "choose" the culture their work belongs to. For example, Pepe the frog. Contrast the popular 4chan/pol/ usage of Pepe the frog with the viewpoints of the creator of Pepe the frog. Even the artist recently drawing Pepe taking a piss on Donald Trump won't stop or change the culture that has built up around the meme. Sometimes trying to not be part of a culture backfires. Ben Garrison learned that the hard way. The more he asked 4chan to stop - the harder 4chan pushed. Eventually it seems like he has given up fighting against it. >When a billionaire buys a Van Gogh or it is sold to some museum far, far away, we look at other van Goghs. If all van Goghs were to get out of reach, some other painter would be brought to the spotlight and become _the_ painter. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Not too big into art culture and don't really care if I have a cheap $30 copy or the $30mm original of the painting. If I wanted a van Gogh I'd get a van Gogh. Even if it weren't an original.

Nadya 10y ago

This assumes the product can still be purchased or is for sale in the country. Not every country has a licence to sell certain movies. Literally can't pay the money the makers of the films what they want to charge me because they don't want to charge me. This also applies to music and other products (though other products can't necessarily be pirated). My options are: a) Pirate the movie at no cost to the creator b) Do not watch the movie at no cost to the creator Morally - I don't see the difference. Financially - there is no difference. Culturally? There is a huge difference. Many people fail to realize how much culture is shared/discussed around movies/music (esp. American movies/music).

jameslk 10y ago
I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. This is actually a pretty good argument for why piracy is still relevant. There's been numerous occasions when I wanted to share something with a friend, but the content was blocked just because of geographical differences. These limitations create incentives to find the content elsewhere, which is usually illegitimate means.
- novaleaf 10y ago
  I didn't downvote, but... well, honestly this is a bit of a strawman, if you consider that most of the internet using public is able to legally view the content in question. That a small percentage of people can't... OK that's true. but bringing that up as a reason why piracy can be justified doesn't really seem conductive to a cross-discussion.
  - Larrikin 10y ago
    What is a small percentage to you? Its extremely frustrating that there is basically no way to access large swaths of Japanese media because the companies don't think there is much market outside the country. They even go so far as to block their biggest stars on youtube. I thought it was extremely ironic that AKB's Fortune Cookie video was not watchable in the US on youtube, when the entire premise of the video was that people all around the world were posting videos on youtube doing the dance featured in the video because they had such a global reach. Good luck finding anything but the most popular animes legally in the US. I don't think I've ever even seen a Japanese drama through a legal means.
    - novaleaf 10y ago
      for what it's worth, i use torrents regularly, I just don't see this reason to be conductive to the argument. If a title is not available in a region, the copyright holder implicitly doesn't care at all. They care about piracy of their goods in regions where it's legally available for purchase. So sticking to arguments that revolve around that seem to make more sense, otherwise you are "preaching to the choir" as it were.
Someone 10y ago
c) Watch another movie, paying its creator (possibly the same as in option a) If the minority's of people do that, the shared culture is going to stay, but it will ignore the movie of options a) and b), and include that of option c).
- Nadya 10y ago
  The culture surrounds the media. Changing the media changes the culture and even within sub-cultures those sub-cultures themselves have niches. Sometimes cultures even rise out of a singular media. You can't just replace "Vocaloid Music" (Miku, Rin, Luka) with "other synthetic vocals". It's "similar" but it is not "the same". The cultures around Gumi and other Megpoids differs from that around Miku and other Vocaloids.
  - Someone 10y ago
    Yes, _we_ can. If some group, by the way they choose to distribute their product, indicates it doesn't want to be part of culture, culture can easily adapt to include other music. When a billionaire buys a Van Gogh or it is sold to some museum far, far away, we look at other van Goghs. If all van Goghs were to get out of reach, some other painter would be brought to the spotlight and become _the_ painter. (And edit on my grandfather post: s/minority/majority)
    - Nadya 10y ago
      >by the way they choose to distribute their product, indicates it doesn't want to be part of culture, That isn't how that works. Cultures get built around things - those things don't "choose" their culture. Even creators do not get to "choose" the culture their work belongs to. For example, Pepe the frog. Contrast the popular 4chan/pol/ usage of Pepe the frog with the viewpoints of the creator of Pepe the frog. Even the artist recently drawing Pepe taking a piss on Donald Trump won't stop or change the culture that has built up around the meme. Sometimes trying to not be part of a culture backfires. Ben Garrison learned that the hard way. The more he asked 4chan to stop - the harder 4chan pushed. Eventually it seems like he has given up fighting against it. >When a billionaire buys a Van Gogh or it is sold to some museum far, far away, we look at other van Goghs. If all van Goghs were to get out of reach, some other painter would be brought to the spotlight and become _the_ painter. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Not too big into art culture and don't really care if I have a cheap $30 copy or the $30mm original of the painting. If I wanted a van Gogh I'd get a van Gogh. Even if it weren't an original.