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Version 2 of the Apple Public Source License includes the following termination clause: 12.1 Termination. This License and the rights granted hereunder will t

• TAForObvReasons 10y ago
  Microsoft is not necessarily a paragon of open source, but many of their open source projects use unadulterated OS licenses. Typescript is Apache 2: https://github.com/Microsoft/TypeScript/blob/master/LICENSE.txt https://github.com/Microsoft/TypeScript/blob/master/LICENSE.... Visual Studio Code is MIT: https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/blob/master/LICENSE.txt https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/blob/master/LICENSE.txt
  • webwalker 10y ago
    You will notice that most new projects all use MIT. Apache 2 hasn't been used for anything new in the last year+.
    • the_duke 10y ago
      Have some examples? The MIT license is problematic with software patents. I see some projects moving to Apache2 for that reason (one prominent example here is Rust. They moved to an MIT/Apache2 dual licensing model).
      • jsprogrammer 10y ago
        What is the problem with the MIT license and patents? The MIT license grants explicit rights to deal in the software without restriction.
        • tracker1 10y ago
          A copyright license is not necessarily the same as a patent grant... Apache 2 does contain a patent grant, and an even bigger nuclear deterrent similar to Facebook's separate grant with MIT.
          • jsprogrammer 10y ago
            The MIT license is not a copyright license (though, copyright is claimed). It is a license for unrestricted dealings in the software subject to certain conditions (no warranty or fitness, appropriate notices given, etc.).
      • webwalker 10y ago
        Here are some that I found that are all created in that window: - https://github.com/Microsoft/Docker-PowerShell https://github.com/Microsoft/Docker-PowerShell - https://github.com/Microsoft/malmo https://github.com/Microsoft/malmo - https://github.com/Microsoft/projection-grid https://github.com/Microsoft/projection-grid - https://github.com/Microsoft/HoloToolkit-Unity https://github.com/Microsoft/HoloToolkit-Unity - https://github.com/Microsoft/pxt https://github.com/Microsoft/pxt - https://github.com/Microsoft/BotBuilder https://github.com/Microsoft/BotBuilder - https://github.com/Microsoft/elfie-arriba https://github.com/Microsoft/elfie-arriba - https://github.com/Microsoft/team-explorer-everywhere https://github.com/Microsoft/team-explorer-everywhere I could have found more, but its a big org. Any examples I found that used other licenses where that way because they where related to something else that used a previous license (i.e. all TypeScript stuff is Apache2, hence any new TS is still be Apache2 for consistency).
    • clay_to_n 10y ago
      Not true. In the Android world, Apache 2.0 is on everything.
      • webwalker 10y ago
        Example?
        • clay_to_n 10y ago
          Not sure the easiest way to get a list of the top Android libraries on GitHub, but here's a sample of some that are Apache 2.0: https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxJava https://github.com/ReactiveX/RxJava http://square.github.io/retrofit/ http://square.github.io/retrofit/ http://jakewharton.github.io/butterknife/ http://jakewharton.github.io/butterknife/ FWIW, my Android app's codebase has 18 Apache 2.0 dependencies, 1 MIT and 2 BSD. Maybe since the large libraries mostly use Apache 2.0, the smaller Android devs just follow suit?
    • daenney 10y ago
      Just about every Puppet module is published as Apache 2, it's the go to license in our ecosystem.
  • petilon 10y ago
    Apple and Facebook have "strong" patent retaliation clauses while Microsoft has a "weak" patent retaliation clause. More on strong vs weak retaliation clauses here: http://www.rosenlaw.com/lj9.htm http://www.rosenlaw.com/lj9.htm Can't believe Microsoft is the good guy here.
    • baldfat 10y ago
      Can the unadulterated hate on Microsoft stop ESPECIALLY when you are using an Apple product. Microsoft has always had "good guys/gals" at the company. They have been in action more the good guys then anything else minus Steve Balmer's anti-Linux bias over the years.
    • VeejayRampay 10y ago
      Can't believe you've ever thought of Apple as "the good guy".
• WildUtah 10y ago
  It does not apply to any patent suit. A petition for DJ against a demand letter, for instance, would not be included. A PGR at the PTO, even when appealed to courts is not included. An interference proceeding at court against Apple is not included.
• bluejekyll 10y ago
  For new projects, my understanding is that Apple is using Apache and not the APSL any longer. Swift for example. I just looked at XNU and it is still under the APSL. Does anyone know why a company would not want to go back and change the license of a project? Is it that the company doesn't have the copyright but the individual developers? Even if all the developers only worked for the primary company?
• novaleaf 10y ago
  easy enough for the determined to circumvent: construct a new legal entity and transfer the ip rights to it. then the new entity files suit.
  • RandomBK 10y ago
    If there's money behind the case, lawyers will sue anyways, arguing that the IP shell is a related entity whose actions can be reflected upon the parent.
• DannyBee 10y ago
  This sort of license is definitely open source (and common, in fact), it's just not gpl2 compatible, which is the current reason most licenses avoid it Basically: Any attempt to terminate both copyright and patent rights will be gplv2 incompatible Attempts to terminate patent rights, written in the right way, will be compatible.