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- stuartaxelowen 10y agoWhat's with the "no NDA required"? Who requires NDAs for their datasheets?
- Jasper_ 10y agoEvery chip vendor I've dealt with, from Amlogic to Allwinner to Freescale, requires a signed NDA for full documentation. Public documentation is usually heavily redacted. The GR8 seems to be a rebadged Allwinner chip, and the no-NDA datasheet seems to be next to useless, to be honest.
- ZenoArrow 10y ago> "The GR8 seems to be a rebadged Allwinner chip" It could be, but reading up on the features of the C.H.I.P. Pro it supports mainline Linux. I assumed this meant without blobs. Is there mainline support for any Allwinner chips?
- mappu 10y agoMany A20 features are in mainline kernels now, although sunxi-3.4 is still recommended for full hardware support. http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort#Status_Matrix http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort#Status_Matrix EDIT: The GR8 is specifically called out on this page as having mainline support from kernel 4.9.
- thom_nic 10y agoI've been running bananian with the 4.4 kernel on my bpi-R1 (A20 SoC) and everything seems to be working fine. Although I don't use it for anything graphical (it's a networking/storage/server device.) Can't say how much it's relying on binary blobs though.
- mynameislegion 10y agoSadly Allwinner did zero of that mainlining.
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- thom_nic 10y agoThe GR8 is an AllWinner R8 with RAM in a single piece of resin. They are targeting product builders, see the section: > Powered by a chip you can actually buy. > R8 SoC + 256MB DDR3 > 1 package. 1 price. > $6 in any quantity. (that's $6 for their rebadged chip.) TBH this looks like not a bad solution for someone looking to board-down a linux capable product. I wonder if the GR8 needs a power mgt chip or if that's integrated into the SoC as well. Back to your original question, NTC (among others) worked with AllWinner I believe to mainline some of the R8 code and reduce (or possibly eliminate?) binary blobs.
- milcron 10y ago> it supports mainline Linux. I assumed this meant without blobs Fun fact, there are blobs in mainline Linux. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux-libre#History
- userbinator 10y agoOne of the good things with the Chinese companies is that the datasheets will usually make it out into the public if the chips get popular enough. A byproduct of the "Gongkai" ecosystem: https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297 https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297
- countingteeth 10y agoWhat do you mean by "full documentation" and "NDA"? Go to NXP.com, sign up for an online account, and you can download full reference manuals for most of their products. They may hold errata and more low-level/non-user documentation closer to the chest, if your sign-up data is obviously fake or appears to be North Korean your account may not be activated, but it's not the case that you need to have an NDA signed in blood to get manuals.
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- blackguardx 10y agoMany companies. Almost too many to list. This is probably a dig at Broadcom who makes the chip in the Raspberry Pi and usually requires NDAs for their chips. Hell, Broadcom won't even let you buy many of their chips without their permission!
- mynameislegion 10y agoOTOH Broadcom is paying someone to write open source 3D drivers for the chip in the RPi: http://anholt.livejournal.com/ http://anholt.livejournal.com/
- yuubi 10y agoA lot of vendors do for recent processors. You can easily get a z80 datasheet, but not necessarily complete info for a recent ARM SoC.
- avhon1 10y agoPretty much every SOC manufacturer. To protect their intellectual property, they control access to the documents that describe the behavior of their products. Also, if you leak any of their intellectual property, the NDA allows them to sue their lost profits (due to clones of their product) out of you.
- stbtrax 10y agoIt's not every SOC manufacturer. TI and NXP do not require NDAs for their datasheets, only for the security subsystem perhaps.
- kingosticks 10y agoDo you know if these manufacturers then suffer any more from IP theft because of the more open policy? Or are the NDAs here used more as a 'serious customer' vetting tool so they can concentrate their support efforts towards these customers?
- dcw303 10y agoI'm waiting for a PocketCHIP (mainly to mess with pico8) that I preordered at the start of this month, and it has estimated shipping of November. I wonder if the Chip Pro shipping in December will have any impact on my order.
- tluyben2 10y agoI have the PocketChip; great device. Recommended for sure. Together with come CHIPs you can do nice things. Sure for the same price as the PocketChip you can pick up a far more functional Android / Windows 10 tablet but this has a keyboard and you can replace anything in it yourself and do interesting hacking for both software and hardware. Edit: (I bought the PocketChip for the introductory price; it's more expensive now but still cheap I find, especially as I would really like more people to make things like this... Is there anything else than the Pyra & this for handheld devices with a keyboard that you can actually order now and be quite sure you'll get it instead of throwing money away?)
- ekianjo 10y agoI know it's cheap and all but the keyboard is hardly anything I would recommend for typing anything for more than 5 minutes. It's probably among the worst things out there to type on.
- dcw303 10y agoWhen I was googling the PocketCHIP I was surprised to find some random forum posts warning people NOT to peel the clear plastic coating off the keys, as apparently they hold them in place! That's certainly something I can imagine doing.
- int_19h 10y agoOh yes, definitely heed that advice. I almost ripped mine off before I realized what it's there for. A very unfortunate omission on their part - there should be a warning in screaming caps on the device, or at least somewhere in the packaging.
- kenOfYugen 10y agoSeems like a good enough prototyping kit for open source hardware. I wonder why the 'no-price-scaling' per unit for bulk orders is considered a feature though.
- Waterluvian 10y agoPerception that you're always getting the lowest price maybe? I agree with you, it's odd.
- soared 10y agoProbably a counter to the rpi zero price going up significantly if you even buy more than 1.
- soared 10y agoProbably a counter to the rpi zero price going up significantly if you even buy more than 1.
- durkie 10y agoHow is it optimized for SMT? It seems like the PCB that you mounted it to would need to have a hole or milled pocket in it to accommodate the backside thickness of the CHIP. Not sure how feasible a pocket is, but a hole would mean you then lose all your layers/backside in that area.
- leggomylibro 10y agoThe edges of the board have round plated indents near the through holes, which makes them easier for machines to place and solder.
- duskwuff 10y agoThere are parts on the bottom of the board, including the NAND flash. How does it sit flat?
- Palomides 10y agoyou have a cutout underneath, with only a small overlap for the connection.
- thom_nic 10y agoMilled cut out in the middle of the mainboard seems like an annoying additional cost. Headers that raise the module off the board would be acceptable, except when vertical space is a constraint.
- Palomides 10y agoYou have to mill at least the outline of your board anyway, a little more is trivial.
- durkie 10y agoyeah, it just seems like if it were really optimized for smt, they would have milled the back side of the CHIP and placed the flash et al components in there so that you wouldn't have to find the extra real estate on your own board.
- andycjw 10y agoI order the original CHIP at end of May, and I still haven't received it today, it was supposed to ship by June. They kept getting delayed. Latest update is that the shipping is for November. Can't help but suspect they are doing this on purpose to wait for price drop on the components to sustain the business.
- wiradikusuma 10y agojust to provide a counterpoint, i have received mine on time (original promised date). although, they're still sitting around waiting for my next big idea(tm)!
- samtho 10y agoI got mine during the June shipment, not quite sure how/when I ordered mine, however.
- greglindahl 10y agoI was a part of the Kickstarter, got mine roughly when promised. If you've ever been involved in electronics manufacturing in moderate volumes, it usually ends up being more episodic than planned.
- sbierwagen 10y agohttps://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1065/9514/t/18/assets/chippro_alpha_img.png?3357780439954442636 https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1065/9514/t/18/assets/chip... Those USB sockets are mighty close together.
- 2bluesc 10y ago> Those USB sockets are mighty close together Based on the "alpha" in the image name, I'm hoping they fixed that.
- tdicola 10y agoThat's just the developer breakout board, I doubt they intend people to use it in production devices. Most people are going to design their own boards that this solders into as a module.
- platz 10y agoI have the chip, esp8266, rpi, teensies, trinkets, arduinos... I studied electronics principles and built various circuits.. yet I have no idea what I can practically use these devices for in my life. They all sit in a box and I have a hard time justifying buying more of them.
- clappski 10y agoSecurity and media devices are what a lot of people seem to go for, or DIY IoT. I know your pain, I have a few Raspberry Pi's sitting in my draw...
- TeMPOraL 10y agoI left one RPi2 at my mother's apartment to work as a NAS; second RPi2 is powering a skeleton for home automation system at my current apartment; a RPi3 sits in the drawer and waits for better days...
- staticelf 10y agoMedia devices or home automation is two big players I would say. But I feel exactly the same as you. I used my rpi as a server for different things and I have used it as a media player. But now I want to build video surveillance and control it all with my rpi. Though, I live in an apartment so there is not a super large need which makes me prioritize other stuff since I don't really need it. Another thing I want to do is an app that connect to different lights in my house so when my alarm goes off in the morning I want it to light up the hallway so that I can wake up. I live in Sweden so here it's dark as fuck most of the year at 06:00-07:00.
- Crosseye_Jack 10y agoYou can get RF Controllable Wall Light switches that replace the existing switch. The ones in the UK commonly use 433mhz and a configurable static code to turn them on/off. The benefit of them are that you can still control them from the switch itself so you won't be looking around for the bloody remote, The in socket types have to have the wall switch on all the time so if someone turns the light off from the switch then your automation goes along with it. And the 433Mhz signal is normally easily decoded. If you don't have a SDR (a cheap RTLSDR will do) or an oscilloscope you can wire the remote that will come with them to your soundcard on your computer (And you can normally use a cheap USB soundcard if your paranoid about frying the sound card in your pride and joy, I never had an issue when I used to do it) and use an audio suite such as audacity to record the signal and then manually decode the signal. Once you have the signal you basically then do a replay attack to control the switch using your pi an a cheap 433mhz transmitter. The downsides to these are that they have no security if someone knows the codes to turn on/off your lights they can but they are limited by the range of their transmitter. You also don't get feedback from these style of switches so the software doesn't know if the switches are actually on or off. I would send my codes a number of times just incase they switches didn't pick up on them the first time. You can get WiFi switches too but they are more expensive, add complexity to the project (if they are not well documented) and personally I would put them on their own wifi without access to the internet. (But you could write your own bridge so you can control them over the net.) Openhab[1] is a nice Home automation suite that runs on the Pi and has a lot of modules to control lots of different things already written for it. One of the things it can do out of the box is calculate sunrise/set where you are. So I would use it to turn on my outdoor lights 15 mins after dusk and switch off at a set time. Just a word of advise to help you making the same mistake I did with it at one point, make sure you write the log's to ram otherwise you can burn though SD Cards pretty quickly (well it took 6 months for one of mine to die) [1] http://www.openhab.org/ http://www.openhab.org/ EDIT: You could also use Philip Hue's (or their compatibles or anything using ZLL) and hook up a zigbee to your pi, create your own "hub" and control the lights directly as the ZLL Master key has been leaked. But these also suffer from the "in socket" issue where if someone turns off the switch on the wall then you lose control of the bulb.
- LAMike 10y agoIs it possible to make use this as a starting point for an open source smartphone?
- Yaggo 10y agoIn theory, yes, but the lack of LVDS/MIPI display connector/driver (or even HDMI) makes it difficult to connect any practical display on it.
- astrodust 10y agoWhat are the LCD-Dx lines for?
- Yaggo 10y agoNo idea. I'm not familiar with the CHIP Pro, just quickly read the datasheet. The SOC contains Mali400 GPU, so in theory it should capable for video output, but I can't find any mentioning whether the video capability is enabled in hardware/software level in CHIP Pro (i.e pins wired & Linux driver). Raspberry Pi has similar problem: although it uses a SOC designed for mobile applications, there are no open source solutions to connect generic smartphone displays to DSI port, and HDMI is very bulky/over-engineered solution for transferring video signal over few centimeters. (Blame Broadcom, not the Foundation.)
- wyager 10y agoYou can use any SoC as the starting point for an open source smartphone. I don't think this is appropriate, though, given the inability to break out high-bandwidth busses from the board, e.g. for a video display or LTE networking.
- lucb1e 10y ago3g is plenty fast, for the next few years at least. The only advantage of LTE is latency, and there's only LTE when you're in the middle of a city and probably have wifi anyway. Owning a phone that came out like 3 months before 4g got built into everything (from high-end to cheap stuff), I can say I've never missed it. I'd rather they spend money on improving 3g reception, which is pretty good but could still be a lot better.
- wiradikusuma 10y agoi own the original chip. i don't understand what this thing is about, a higher-spec chip?
- Sanddancer 10y agoA chip with a design more suitable for embedding in a device. After you make the initial outlay, SMD components become much more easy to deal with than pth, for example.
- throwfaesfe 10y agoI was confused as well. I think it's all about being Open Source. You don't have to sign an NDA to view the spec.
- fingar 10y agoThe changes are: 1. It is now SiP, not SoC, because the GR8 chip incorporates 512MB RAM! System-in-Package. 2. They made changes here and there so all of the GR8 is open compared to the previous SoC. Most notably I expect the video decoding/encoding in hardware should be unable now. 3. Much smaller form factor. 4. Now has very fast NAND memory, so flash once and forget. 5. Overall they got input from developers and implemented what is needed. 6. Most important, same day Linux kernel support for the GR8 in Linus's tree. The commit was accepted a few days ago.
- Narishma 10y agoI believe it's 256MB of RAM and 512MB of NAND flash.
- cuonic 10y agoI still haven't received my original, pre-ordered, CHIP device and here they are releasing new versions...
- Animats 10y agoGreat hardware, but do you really want to run a full Linux system on low-end IoT devices? That's what made the recent massive DDOS attack possible - lots of little machines with way too much network-side functionality. Linux just has too much attack surface.
- willvarfar 10y agoIts not Linux that was being attacked, it was the apps that were running. From https://blog.cloudflare.com/say-cheese-a-snapshot-of-the-massive-ddos-attacks-coming-from-iot-cameras/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/say-cheese-a-snapshot-of-the-mas... > While it's not possible for us to investigate all the attacking devices, it is fair to say that these attacks came from Internet-of-Things (IoT) category of devices. > There are multiple hints confirming this theory. First, all of the attacking devices have port 23 (telnet) open (closing connection immediately) or closed. Never filtered. This is a strong hint that the malware disabled the telnet port just after it installed itself. > Most of the hosts from the Vietnamese networks look like connected CCTV cameras. Multiple have open port 80 with presenting "NETSurveillance WEB" page. > The Ukrainian devices are a bit different though. Most have port 80 closed, making it harder to identify. > We had noticed one device with port 443 open serving a valid TLS cert issued by Western Digital, handling domain device-xxxx.wd2go.com suggesting it was a hard drive (Network Attached Storage to be precise). So its not Linux, its the apps. The insecurity of the boxes has nothing to do with their choice of OS, but rather their shoddy apps. Its a general pattern for IoT devices to be configured with default passwords and internet-facing admin pages etc, and using another OS doesn't directly address any of this. ADDING: I'm a big fan and watcher of everything from OpenBSD to QubesOS to the Mill CPU to CHERI and all the rest, and I'm reluctant to say that right now the OS is immaterial to security :( ;)
- sittonOK 10y agoExactly. The best-selling home IP camera on Amazon [1], from a Chinese company, has the following "features": - Default Wifi setup is done through their phone app through the "cloud" (let me tell you how much I trust that one) - Has a webserver listening on port 80 with default u:p admin:admin (to be fair, their instructions are clear that you should change it, but it's not a mandatory part of the setup process) - Has an RTSP server listening on port 554 - All of this a disaster waiting to happen because of UPnP (ugh, how many home routers have this enabled...) - Sends outbound TCP traffic to amcrestcloud.com and amcrestview.com every few seconds (cannot be disabled on the device) [2] - Sends a continuous stream of UDP data to 52.91.189.219:8800 (cannot be disabled on the device) [2] The only way to prevent this device from a calling a CNC server is with a hardware firewall or an isolated LAN segment (I suppose this idea isn't at all specific to this camera). I bet fewer than 0.01% of their customers do that. [1] https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-IP2M-841-1920TVL-Wireless-Camera/dp/B0145OQTPG/ https://www.amazon.com/Amcrest-IP2M-841-1920TVL-Wireless-Cam... [2] 01:41:17 firewall: [CamVLAN-WAN-20-Reject] SRC=CAM-IP DST=54.87.129.131 LEN=60 PROTO=TCP DPT=12366 01:41:20 firewall: [CamVLAN-WAN-20-Reject] SRC=CAM-IP DST=54.158.250.32 LEN=60 PROTO=TCP DPT=443 01:41:27 firewall: [CamVLAN-WAN-20-Reject] SRC=CAM-IP DST=52.91.189.219 LEN=295 PROTO=UDP DPT=8800 01:41:27 firewall: [CamVLAN-WAN-20-Reject] SRC=CAM-IP DST=52.91.189.219 LEN=295 PROTO=UDP DPT=8800 01:41:27 firewall: [CamVLAN-WAN-20-Reject] SRC=CAM-IP DST=52.91.189.219 LEN=295 PROTO=UDP DPT=8800 01:41:28 firewall: [CamVLAN-WAN-20-Reject] SRC=CAM-IP DST=52.91.189.219 LEN=295 PROTO=UDP DPT=8800 01:41:28 firewall: [CamVLAN-WAN-20-Reject] SRC=CAM-IP DST=52.91.189.219 LEN=295 PROTO=UDP DPT=8800 01:41:29 firewall: [CamVLAN-WAN-20-Reject] SRC=CAM-IP DST=52.91.189.219 LEN=295 PROTO=UDP DPT=8800
- pmontra 10y agoA typo on the home page Powered by a chip you can actually buy. R8 SoC + 256MB DDR3 1 package. 1 price. $6 in any quantity. All the other references to the price are for $16, not $6.
- kornholi 10y agoI think that's just the chip price, while $16 is for the whole board.
- bentpins 10y agoI think that means you can buy the SOC instead of the whole board for $6.
- pmontra 10y agoMaybe you're right and I've been mislead. Hopefully I'm the only one. How about a different copy: Buy only the chip R8 SoC + 256MB DDR3 1 package. 1 price. $6 in any quantity.
- gbajson 10y agoConsidering the fact that they missed delivery date of the previous one by at least 150% (I am still waiting) announcing new one with "Available Dec 2016" sounds like tasteless joke.
- aquarin 10y agoMy CHIP still not delivered. They re-scheduled 3 times the delivery. The last was 3 Oct. Today I received the "happy" news this will be shipped at the beginning of Nov. The initial shipment was June when I ordered in March.
- jmcneill 10y agoDitto. I had planned on porting FreeBSD to it, but with all of the delays and more interesting boards coming out since it was announced, I've lost all interest at this point.
- Beltiras 10y agoShare the more interesting boards please because I am salivating over the pricepoint and features of this one.
- StavrosK 10y agoIt does look pretty damn amazing for $16, and it's SMD-ready.
- onli 10y agoI got mine, ordered not in the kickstarter but later, arrived on time. Since then I did not really use it, so far other stuff to do and my existing ARM homeserver is working just fine. If you can use it do to some serious work like porting stuff to it, I'd at least lend it to you. Send me an mail (in profile), I'm in Europe.
- RBerenguel 10y agoI ordered a TextBlade (small-form factor bluetooth keyboard with pretty nifty technology) on March 2015 for delivery on June 2015 (not a Kickstarter, mind you) and I'm still waiting (actually all purchasers are, except for a beta testing group).
- gambiting 10y agoI honestly thought it was going to be the CHIP computer magazine(does it still exist?)
- pollitos 10y agoHoping to put this or RPi3 into foldable card cases and connect to power, vga/lcd monitor, keyboard and mouse for schools in developing world. Would the chip or chip pro be better than RPi3 please?
- graycrow 10y agoWell, CHIP Pro is not suitable for this use case. I would recommend RPi3 because it have more CPU power, more USB ports (you can connect kb and mouse without using a hub), built in Ethernet and HDMI port, so you can connect HDMI and DVI monitors directly (DVI with passive adapter). CHIP have only composite video out of the box (as well as RPi) and in order to connect HDMI or VGA you need to purchase additional "dip" board. So, to round this up, RPi is better except you need VGA, in this case CHIP + VGA DIP is probably a better choice, but it would require an USB hub.
- graycrow 10y agoBut on second though, CHIP have a 4GB on-board storage, and or RPi you need to use removable micro SD card. I'm not sure if kids and removable micro SD's is a good combination, it may be ok, may be not, I just don't know.
- creshal 10y agoNothing you can't fix with liberal application of glue.
- freewizard 10y agoThere's a post[1] on their forum for more detail. TL;DR they are announce 2 new hardware * GR8 - a 14mm x 14mm System-in-Package, combines 1GHz R8 SoC with 256MB of DDR3 memory - $6 - available in any quantity in December 2016 * C.H.I.P. Pro - GR8 + 512MB NAND + WiFi/BT + ..., 76% smaller than C.H.I.P. - $16 - available in volume December 2016 and Dev Kits are on sale today for $49 shipping in December 2016 Having some hobby project with CHIP and loving it, but I have to say this naming of Pro sounds misleading, I'd rather call it Air :) [1] https://bbs.nextthing.co/t/c-h-i-p-shipping-update-three-new-additions-to-the-c-h-i-p-family/10620 https://bbs.nextthing.co/t/c-h-i-p-shipping-update-three-new...
- singularity2001 10y ago>> "GR8 pin names" 33-CSID4-SDC2-CMD-PE8 gotta be kidding
- _pmf_ 10y agoIt's actually quite sensible to encode the function multiplexing information into the pin name.
- beardicus 10y agoThe first number, "33" is the pin number of the CHIP Pro, "CSID4-SDC2-CMD" are the functions, and "PE8" is the actual pin name from the GR8 module. The key on that diagram is confusing.
- singularity2001 10y agoThanks for explaining. (and thanks for agreeing that it is 'slightly' confusing)
- djvdorp 10y agoMaybe I missed it, but how does the CHIP Pro compare to the previous CHIP?
- faragon 10y agoPrevious CHIP has twice the RAM (512MB vs 256MB) and eight times more flash (4GB vs 512MB), and it is much cheaper (9$ vs 16$). The "Pro" CPU has same specs (1GHz ARM v7a). The only advantadge is smaller components, and probably less power consumption. In my opinion, the 8$ CHIP is better than the 16$ "CHIP Pro". Also, for 15$ you can get a Pine64 [1] with much better specs (512MB RAM, 4 ARM64 Cortex A53 cores, ethernet, USBs, HDMI output, etc. -without flash/WiFi/Bluetooth-). I guess that the 9$ price for the original CHIP was too low, being the reason of shipping delays (needing to compensate the lower board price with overpriced add-ons, with the risk of if not selling enough add-ons, running out of budget (?)). [1] https://www.pine64.org/ https://www.pine64.org/ (I'm not related to Pine64, just a happy customer)
- sobkas 10y agoDid you have any problems mentioned in this blog post[1]? [1] http://vincentsanders.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-pine-stays-green-in-winter-wisdom.html http://vincentsanders.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-pine-stays-gr...
- faragon 10y agoI had only three minor issues: 1) A 5V 2A power suply is required (cheap to buy e.g. on Amazon or eBay). It boots with 5V 1.5A, too, but less stable if you are using the two USB ports at once with devices requiring notable power (e.g. wifi adapter). 2) Requires a 1080p HDMI monitor/TV, at least, for the images I tried (you can change that, editing a file in the SD card image, I knew that afterwards). 3) The OS image I use (Debian) have a bug in the network driver so I have to boot with network cable unplugged, and after booting, plugging it, and stop/start the network in the network icon (top right Debian desktop bar). It may be already fixed, but because it works as it is, I have no problem to click twice to restart the network after infrequent reboots I do for maintenance (e.g. once a month). I'll update it when I see someone reporting that it got fixed. Regarding temperature, I put small metallic heatsinks (fanless) over the SoC and over the I/O chip. Running flawless on 100% load (where I live maximum temperature is about 35ºC in Summer, and I had not problems at all running the board 24/7 as ARM64 build server). It is true that some provided images have issues, e.g. lack of 3D hardware acceleration on Debian. TL;DR: for ARM64 development and GPIO stuff the Pine64 board is great (1 and 2GB model, the 512MB for head-less Linux), as "Linux desktop home cinema", it is not, because of lack of hardware-accelerated video and 3D support on provided Linux desktop disk images. However, using the same board (models with >= 1GB) you can run Android, with hardware acceleration, if I recall correctly (haven't tested Android myself on that board, yet).
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- hatsunearu 10y agoWill it have 29 dollar shipping like the original CHIP?
- arcaster 10y ago"Chip" has to be one of the worst names possible in terms of branding, especially when beginners google for tutorials...
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago...Now if only we unwashed, non-kickstarter-using masses could actually buy a chip+pocketchip. I'd pay good money for it, but with orders this backed up, I'm not putting money in for a ticket to a waiting list that may never end.
- joeyh 10y agoSeems this is not the same form factor or pins as the CHIP. So it can't be swapped out to upgrade PocketCHIP, etc. They seem to be missing an opportunity here to create a standard. Pity, I had assumed that was the goal. (Of course, maybe there was a good reason to throw away the first attempt at a standard..)
- chapingt 10y agoWill this one take a year to ship, too?
- mcmatterson 10y agoI can't seem to find any mention of the specific OS these use. Anyone?
- mcmatterson 10y agohttps://github.com/NextThingCo/CHIP_Pro-Hardware/blob/master/Datasheets/CHIP_PRO_Datasheet_v1.0.pdf https://github.com/NextThingCo/CHIP_Pro-Hardware/blob/master... suggests it's GadgetOS, which appears to be a New Thing. Anyone have any info on it?
- mgleason_3 10y ago"Powered by a chip you can actually buy" - lets hope so. Assuming thats a reference to the rpi Zero which, as of November, has been out a full year and still must be bought one at a time. Seems like we'll never be able to build more than one or two of something based on the zero. Do wish nextthing would rebrand it because its impossible to Google "chip" and hope to find anything related to this. How about "NESOC" - pronounced "knee sock" and short for nextthing SOC?
- utopcell 10y agoc.h.i.p. is probably not that great of a name, but 'getchip' always returns the relevant information for me. I do like the "white-label" implications of this name: If one builds a product using chip, that fact would be hard to recover from a cursory web search.
- dpc_pw 10y agoWhat is realistically a wifi range that I could get with that thing?
- tofupup 10y agoneat