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Just to clarify, the position you have is you should only be able to be fired for your actions, not your beliefs (however widely communicated)? And, as an exte

• flukus 10y ago
  I think the position is (or at least mine is) that an organization should only be able to judge you for your actions on behalf of that organisation and that anything you do when not directly representing that organisation (like at a bar or posting on facebook) should have absolutely no bearing on your role at that organisation.
  • cwisecarver 10y ago
    I agree with you, up until the point where you are a public figure. That's a grey area but once you're a public figure, which Thiel was after (if not before) his RNC speech, you should be judged on your actions and speech whether or not it was related to your role at an organization. It's like newsworthiness. It's grey, but we let the media decide what is newsworthy and what isn't and we let the market decide if they're right. A lot of things the Enquirer publishes aren't newsworthy, by common standard, until the public buys enough of their tabloids to prove us wrong. A public figure == https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_figure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_figure
    • dogma1138 10y ago
      Is a teacher a public figure? Can a teacher be fired by a school board for attending a rally in support of abortion? Should they be fired for attending a similar rally against gay marriage?
      • cwisecarver 10y ago
        I refer you to my edit where I cite wikipedia.
        • dogma1138 10y ago
          Your edit involves a specific definition for a specific case of defamation suits. I don't see how being a public figure means you don't have the right of protected speech. But you know I'll bite; your link states that you can become a involuntary public figure, you don't seek it but you still are and you are considered as one for this case. Let's say the teacher was picked up by a news crew and made into a public figure. Can they be fired then?
• dogma1138 10y ago
  If you don't do anything under the immediate and direct mandate of your organization your opinions and actions are your own. The fact that some how it can or should spill onto to your employer just shows how fixated people are about partisanship. If I express a political opinion under a clear mandated of protected speech like during say a political rally there is nothing my employer should be able to do to me. This is something we must protect as its critical to democracy and pluralism. Unless you are dandy with how we used to fire commies in the 60s and 70s. It amazes me that people can consider them selves being liberal and don't understand the concept of protected speech and free speech.
• whamlastxmas 10y ago
  Supporting a political candidate doesn't mean you support literally everything they have ever said. It only means you prefer them out of the given viable options.
  • dogma1138 10y ago
    Even if you support everything they say you can't be sanctioned for that by your employer. They can require you not to do that at the office, or using any official company channels (as long as this policy applies equally) but if you comply you should be protected from any sanctions. Without this pluralism dies and with it democracy, and this is how you get partisanship to its current levels.
    • whamlastxmas 10y ago
      Too bad people like you don't work at Mozilla, where their CEO got fired for his political donations