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Don't Apple EULAs forbid emulating OSX on non-Apple hardware? I might be mistaken, of course, but I think I recall something like that.

lucb1e 10y ago
Sure just like games' EULAs say "no copying!!1" but the law perfectly allows for copying for personal use (e.g. backup purposes) and everyone does it anyway.
joombaga 10y ago
Yes. This image is meant for Apple hardware.
- jrowley 10y ago
  For example when you are running Linux on your MacBook but are too lazy to boot back into OSX for dev purposes. ;)
  - stuaxo 10y ago
    Been there, and even used the risky option of letting the VM access the disk in raw mode to run the "real" mac os.
glandium 10y ago
IIRC, it's even worse than that, the EULA forbids running OSX as a guest OS under a host OS that is not OSX.
- awalton 10y ago
  I don't think this is correct - the Mac OS X server license said as long as it was running on Xserve hardware you were okay - we run and support macOS VMs on ESXi: https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1000131 https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?langu...
  - wila 10y ago
    The linked KB article only talks about VMware Fusion not ESXi :) I am aware about the statement that ESXi running on Mac Hardware is supposed to be legal. However if you install bootcamp on your hardware, install Windows in the bootcamp partition and then use VMware Workstation/Player to try and run OS X / macOS you can't. That is not legal. This has always confused me. apple hardware -> ESXi -> macOS == OK apple hardware -> macOS -> Fusion -> macOS == OK apple hardware -> Windows -> Workstation -> macOS == not OK
  - glandium 10y ago
    IIRC, Mac OS X server had a different EULA, and there hasn't been a server edition for several releases of OS X anyways.
- BHSPitMonkey 10y ago
  The solution is simple: Virtualize macOS on Linux, and then Virtualize macOS on your macOS VM. The inner guest is totally legitimate!

lucb1e 10y ago

Sure just like games' EULAs say "no copying!!1" but the law perfectly allows for copying for personal use (e.g. backup purposes) and everyone does it anyway.

joombaga 10y ago

Yes. This image is meant for Apple hardware.

jrowley 10y ago
For example when you are running Linux on your MacBook but are too lazy to boot back into OSX for dev purposes. ;)
- stuaxo 10y ago
  Been there, and even used the risky option of letting the VM access the disk in raw mode to run the "real" mac os.

glandium 10y ago

IIRC, it's even worse than that, the EULA forbids running OSX as a guest OS under a host OS that is not OSX.

awalton 10y ago
I don't think this is correct - the Mac OS X server license said as long as it was running on Xserve hardware you were okay - we run and support macOS VMs on ESXi: https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?language=en_US&cmd=displayKC&externalId=1000131 https://kb.vmware.com/selfservice/microsites/search.do?langu...
- wila 10y ago
  The linked KB article only talks about VMware Fusion not ESXi :) I am aware about the statement that ESXi running on Mac Hardware is supposed to be legal. However if you install bootcamp on your hardware, install Windows in the bootcamp partition and then use VMware Workstation/Player to try and run OS X / macOS you can't. That is not legal. This has always confused me. apple hardware -> ESXi -> macOS == OK apple hardware -> macOS -> Fusion -> macOS == OK apple hardware -> Windows -> Workstation -> macOS == not OK
- glandium 10y ago
  IIRC, Mac OS X server had a different EULA, and there hasn't been a server edition for several releases of OS X anyways.
BHSPitMonkey 10y ago
The solution is simple: Virtualize macOS on Linux, and then Virtualize macOS on your macOS VM. The inner guest is totally legitimate!