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My contention is with your conclusion. My original point was that in addition to gender and race, names signal cultural affiliation. Many Asian immigrants to t
by reader5000 10y ago
My contention is with your conclusion.
My original point was that in addition to gender and race, names signal cultural affiliation. Many Asian immigrants to the West adopt Western first names in order to signal Western cultural affiliation. I would hypothesize they get more resume responses. This plays into gender as well. I might be comfortable with "Jessica" as my accountant but less so with "Envy" or "Desiree" or whatever. The preferences being expressed are not based solely on gender/race as in your conclusion, but rather likelihood to adhere to various cultural norms, some pertaining to direct job-related productivity, and others pertaining to general socialization and fitting in. I see no problem with Western companies expressing preference for Western cultural norms anymore than Chinese companies doing the same (respectively) in China.
Another interpretation of the study is simply that the companies historically have had more success with whitemale name hires and are simply using the cheapest predictive signal available to maximize hiring ROI. This is unfair to good hires with off-culture names, but I'm not sure what a fix is.
If it makes you feel better I would presume white males are discriminated against in non-Western societies but I have no hard evidence for that, except for maybe South Africa where it's explicit law.
- jakelazaroff 10y ago> I see no problem with Western companies expressing preference for Western cultural norms anymore than Chinese companies doing the same (respectively) in China. Sooooo "female culture" isn't a part of Western cultural norms? Or Black culture? Asian culture? These are all peoples that have been here for hundreds of years. The culture they share is certainly different from that of their home country. When do they get to call their culture "Western?" When white people say it's okay? You don't want to cop to it, but all you're doing is making excuses for white men to discriminate against others. It's not okay.
- reader5000 10y agoYes it is ok. All humans discriminate, along any number of dimensions for any number of purposes. The only reason white men are singled out is the myth that they are some all-powerful group of magical humans that wield evil oppression rays over all other groups. But this is empirically not the case as (middle-aged) white males exhibit the highest suicide rates, whites are the largest group in poverty in the US, white males are out-earned in the US by East Asians, Indians, and Jews; and whites have been systematically demographically replaced in the West to where they are less than 50% of people under age 5. It is ok for every other group of people, including the Federal government, to express racial preferences in business/hiring decisions. To specifically call out white males for expressing soft statistical racial preferences in how they do business and who they affiliate with is an invidious form of racist attack.
- jakelazaroff 10y agoOkay, if we're at the point where you're explicitly supporting racism and sexism, there's really nothing else for us to talk about. You are a disgusting human being. Get out of my industry.
- reader5000 10y agoHey at least you tried little guy
- sctb 10y ago> You are a disgusting human being. Get out of my industry. It's not OK to include this in a comment, no matter what you're replying to.