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> It's not some feminist conspiracy that women are being promoted, it's just that the women who go into tech are usually already pretty gritty people. Interest

> It's not some feminist conspiracy that women are being promoted, it's just that the women who go into tech are usually already pretty gritty people. Interesting that when men statistically seem to have an advantage in any area, it's a "problem" that "needs to be corrected", but if women start to statistically dominate, it's clearly because "women are just better".

jordigh 10y ago
It's not that they're better. It's that a woman in tech has to work twice as hard to get the same recognition as men. After working twice as hard, you tend to overshoot and end up becoming way better than the men. Mediocre women in tech just aren't allowed, whereas mediocre men are accepted. Try to read the article she linked.
- antisthenes 10y ago
  Citations needed for pretty much every part of your post.
  - jordigh 10y ago
    Again? Read the article that both I and calex suggested you should read.
    - MollyR 10y ago
      As a women in tech. I'd like citations too. Because I'm not clear what article you are referring too,and the ones I've read in this thread and the medium article are exceptionally weak. Poor or even worse bullshit articles and poor citations just make the backlash worse, and even harder to get accepted without having to prove I'm at the least a mythical 2x-5x developer.
      - jordigh 10y ago
        Due to the backfire effect[1], no amount of citation convinces the disbelievers. Those who want to believe find the articles by themselves. Those who don't experience backfire effect. But, here you go, let's try showing you a survey and a study amongst the top Google hits for "women have to work harder for the same recognition" and see what you think: https://news.virginia.edu/content/surveys-british-and-american-employees-conclude-women-must-work-harder https://news.virginia.edu/content/surveys-british-and-americ... http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseackerman/2013/02/24/superiority-of-female-workers-confirmed-study-finds-women-really-do-work-longer-and-harder-than-men/#6eba623e324c http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseackerman/2013/02/24/superio... --- [1] http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-backfire-effect-why-facts-dont-win-arguments http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-backfire-effect-why-facts...
        MollyR 10y ago
        That's not what I'm really asking for. I live that reality most days. So I believe it fully. When I discuss these and sometimes any issue really with engineers or scientists, I try to find technical research papers with null hypothesizes and methodology. My point being for technical people like engineers, you aren't convincing a lot of people with light fluffy pieces without links to hard data, in fact you get them even more entrenched in their current way of thinking because they think you don't have real scientific evidence. I've found in personal experience, technical people are far more open minded then the general population, but they tolerate far less bullshit.
        jordigh 10y ago
        I have found that people, even technical people, will question any study you send their way if they don't already agree to it. They'll say the sample isn't big enough, that the statistics are flawed, or they'll cite contrary studies. I don't understand what you're looking for. I don't have juicy information you don't have, so I imagine if there is something out there that you searched and couldn't find, I don't think I'll succeed in finding it either. I guess that means all that remains is intolerable bullshit?

jordigh 10y ago

It's not that they're better. It's that a woman in tech has to work twice as hard to get the same recognition as men. After working twice as hard, you tend to overshoot and end up becoming way better than the men. Mediocre women in tech just aren't allowed, whereas mediocre men are accepted. Try to read the article she linked.

antisthenes 10y ago
Citations needed for pretty much every part of your post.
- jordigh 10y ago
  Again? Read the article that both I and calex suggested you should read.
  - MollyR 10y ago
    As a women in tech. I'd like citations too. Because I'm not clear what article you are referring too,and the ones I've read in this thread and the medium article are exceptionally weak. Poor or even worse bullshit articles and poor citations just make the backlash worse, and even harder to get accepted without having to prove I'm at the least a mythical 2x-5x developer.
    - jordigh 10y ago
      Due to the backfire effect[1], no amount of citation convinces the disbelievers. Those who want to believe find the articles by themselves. Those who don't experience backfire effect. But, here you go, let's try showing you a survey and a study amongst the top Google hits for "women have to work harder for the same recognition" and see what you think: https://news.virginia.edu/content/surveys-british-and-american-employees-conclude-women-must-work-harder https://news.virginia.edu/content/surveys-british-and-americ... http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseackerman/2013/02/24/superiority-of-female-workers-confirmed-study-finds-women-really-do-work-longer-and-harder-than-men/#6eba623e324c http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseackerman/2013/02/24/superio... --- [1] http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-backfire-effect-why-facts-dont-win-arguments http://bigthink.com/think-tank/the-backfire-effect-why-facts...
      - MollyR 10y ago
        That's not what I'm really asking for. I live that reality most days. So I believe it fully. When I discuss these and sometimes any issue really with engineers or scientists, I try to find technical research papers with null hypothesizes and methodology. My point being for technical people like engineers, you aren't convincing a lot of people with light fluffy pieces without links to hard data, in fact you get them even more entrenched in their current way of thinking because they think you don't have real scientific evidence. I've found in personal experience, technical people are far more open minded then the general population, but they tolerate far less bullshit.
        jordigh 10y ago
        I have found that people, even technical people, will question any study you send their way if they don't already agree to it. They'll say the sample isn't big enough, that the statistics are flawed, or they'll cite contrary studies. I don't understand what you're looking for. I don't have juicy information you don't have, so I imagine if there is something out there that you searched and couldn't find, I don't think I'll succeed in finding it either. I guess that means all that remains is intolerable bullshit?