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I'm running 8.1 Pro here at work and the exact same thing happened to me. We generally run the computers disconnected from the Internet. I had connected to th

by pfranz 10y ago

I'm running 8.1 Pro here at work and the exact same thing happened to me. We generally run the computers disconnected from the Internet. I had connected to the Internet, came back to my desk to see a countdown dialog, rushed to click "Cancel." About 10 minutes later the computer was forcibly shut down to install updates. I figured, "might as well get all these updates out of the way." So after that round of updates installed it said it needed to restart in order to install updates. After that I checked for updates and it needed to restart a third time. I hadn't used Windows since XP and forgot how many times you need to reboot and how often updates get released (I'm used to Linux and MacOS). The aggressiveness is also very annoying--bordering on making things unreliable.

gtirloni 10y ago
You may have a bunch of pending security updates that can't be delayed any longer. Plus, if you're missing more than one of the 'big updates', it'll reboot many times. The anniversary updates alone will reboot 2-3x. I don't know for how long you have been disconnected, but it's to be expected the updates will pile up and will have to be dealt with at some point. I'm dual booting Fedora and Windows 10 and I get way fewer updates on Windows than on Linux (every single day there's a new update). I've left a laptop with Fedora alone for 2 months and when I booted it, there were 1.4GB of updates. Personally I like the bug fixes, improvements and security fixes. I think it's a fair trade-off (on whatever platform you're -- I get app updates on my Android phone every other day).
- pfranz 10y ago
  Fedora is the "cutting edge" and it's expected to have more churn than most OSes. Linux updates (excluding the kernel) don't require a reboot and the install itself doesn't require downtime. So daily updates to packages aren't a problem. Even with kernel updates I only have to reboot once. With a fresh install of Windows, it is 3 or 4 reboots with large downloads in between and sitting looking at an update screen for hours--that's frustrating. > I don't know for how long you have been disconnected, but it's to be expected the updates will pile up and will have to be dealt with at some point. Sure, but have some respect for the user. I told it not to install the updates right now. It shut down in a way where it did not ask to save my work. I also have no choice but to sit and wait for my computer to install updates instead of working. That could easily have been in a situation where it can cause someone to lose critical work, get fired or lose their business.
  - gtirloni 10y ago
    Agreed, those are very good points. Something is definitely not right given the all the reports about unexpected reboots. Maybe the situation is better in Windows 10 vs. 8/8.1 but I wouldn't know. Because I'm used to daily updates from Fedora, maybe I haven't noticed how frequent/troublesome Windows updates have been lately. I remember reading an article on MSDN explaining how they had reduced the number of required reboots (completely forgot the details), but they need to do more work in this area.
    - pfranz 10y ago
      The aggressiveness seems like the part that's new. There are videos of people live streaming and it dropping off to update to Windows 10 (not sure if any are faked) as well as other complaints like mine. I feel like Windows has always required reboots and many updates that required logout (which one would hope would get minimized). I've also heard about bundling updates for new installs (or people far behind). Last I remember they were still about to roll it out.
  - pyb 10y ago
    This problem is so frequent that I try to remember to budget for 15 minutes, whenever I want to shut down my laptop.

by pfranz 10y ago

gtirloni 10y ago

You may have a bunch of pending security updates that can't be delayed any longer. Plus, if you're missing more than one of the 'big updates', it'll reboot many times. The anniversary updates alone will reboot 2-3x. I don't know for how long you have been disconnected, but it's to be expected the updates will pile up and will have to be dealt with at some point. I'm dual booting Fedora and Windows 10 and I get way fewer updates on Windows than on Linux (every single day there's a new update). I've left a laptop with Fedora alone for 2 months and when I booted it, there were 1.4GB of updates. Personally I like the bug fixes, improvements and security fixes. I think it's a fair trade-off (on whatever platform you're -- I get app updates on my Android phone every other day).

pfranz 10y ago
Fedora is the "cutting edge" and it's expected to have more churn than most OSes. Linux updates (excluding the kernel) don't require a reboot and the install itself doesn't require downtime. So daily updates to packages aren't a problem. Even with kernel updates I only have to reboot once. With a fresh install of Windows, it is 3 or 4 reboots with large downloads in between and sitting looking at an update screen for hours--that's frustrating. > I don't know for how long you have been disconnected, but it's to be expected the updates will pile up and will have to be dealt with at some point. Sure, but have some respect for the user. I told it not to install the updates right now. It shut down in a way where it did not ask to save my work. I also have no choice but to sit and wait for my computer to install updates instead of working. That could easily have been in a situation where it can cause someone to lose critical work, get fired or lose their business.
- gtirloni 10y ago
  Agreed, those are very good points. Something is definitely not right given the all the reports about unexpected reboots. Maybe the situation is better in Windows 10 vs. 8/8.1 but I wouldn't know. Because I'm used to daily updates from Fedora, maybe I haven't noticed how frequent/troublesome Windows updates have been lately. I remember reading an article on MSDN explaining how they had reduced the number of required reboots (completely forgot the details), but they need to do more work in this area.
  - pfranz 10y ago
    The aggressiveness seems like the part that's new. There are videos of people live streaming and it dropping off to update to Windows 10 (not sure if any are faked) as well as other complaints like mine. I feel like Windows has always required reboots and many updates that required logout (which one would hope would get minimized). I've also heard about bundling updates for new installs (or people far behind). Last I remember they were still about to roll it out.
- pyb 10y ago
  This problem is so frequent that I try to remember to budget for 15 minutes, whenever I want to shut down my laptop.