4 ms·

Or, we (engineers) could all take a cue from workers of the past and organize to demand an end to abusive labor practices. Seriously guys, just because we're m

by ixtli 10y ago

Or, we (engineers) could all take a cue from workers of the past and organize to demand an end to abusive labor practices. Seriously guys, just because we're making 10x the salary of a miner doesn't mean we're not also generating 100x the money for our employers without being allowed to take part in decisions that effect our lives.

enkiv2 10y ago
The IWW has a section for software engineers. Somehow, I don't think it's being filled.
ch4s3 10y ago
You probably aren't making 10x what a miner makes. Mine foremen make around 95K[1]. A regular miner makes somewhere in the range of 40k-55k. Do you make 400k as a software developer? I'm making a broader point here, in that you aren't as seperated from blue collar workers in terms of your economic interests as you may think. [1]https://www.google.com/search?q=mine+sallaries&oq=mine+sallaries&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2655j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=mine+salaries https://www.google.com/search?q=mine+sallaries&oq=mine+salla...
- ixtli 10y ago
  Huh. Didn't realize this.
  - ch4s3 10y ago
    Why else would people walk into the black ground full of choking gas?
- jeffbax 10y ago
  Yeah, but you get to make it without hugely-out-of-your-control health complications. Developers can get fat eating a lot of pizza, but they can run it off. Harder for a miner to avoid all the hazards with the job. As much as I hate the open workspace, I also would prefer being at a computer than doing manual labor in a claustrophobic mine.
  - ch4s3 10y ago
    Yeah, of course. I meant you income -> social position relative to the people who own the capital. There are interesting parallels. Mining companies operate on leased land with leased equipment backed by institutional investors... they keep it lean. The contemporary mine operator isn't totally dissimilar to the CEO/founder of a largish startup in how they approach their business. Yeah, of course writing code won't give you black lung, but you're still working for the man. The coal mine machine operator is a lot more like me than I am like Jack Dorsey.
dpc59 10y ago
https://www.iww.org/ https://www.iww.org/

by ixtli 10y ago

enkiv2 10y ago

The IWW has a section for software engineers. Somehow, I don't think it's being filled.

ch4s3 10y ago

You probably aren't making 10x what a miner makes. Mine foremen make around 95K[1]. A regular miner makes somewhere in the range of 40k-55k. Do you make 400k as a software developer? I'm making a broader point here, in that you aren't as seperated from blue collar workers in terms of your economic interests as you may think. [1]https://www.google.com/search?q=mine+sallaries&oq=mine+sallaries&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.2655j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=mine+salaries https://www.google.com/search?q=mine+sallaries&oq=mine+salla...

ixtli 10y ago
Huh. Didn't realize this.
- ch4s3 10y ago
  Why else would people walk into the black ground full of choking gas?
jeffbax 10y ago
Yeah, but you get to make it without hugely-out-of-your-control health complications. Developers can get fat eating a lot of pizza, but they can run it off. Harder for a miner to avoid all the hazards with the job. As much as I hate the open workspace, I also would prefer being at a computer than doing manual labor in a claustrophobic mine.
- ch4s3 10y ago
  Yeah, of course. I meant you income -> social position relative to the people who own the capital. There are interesting parallels. Mining companies operate on leased land with leased equipment backed by institutional investors... they keep it lean. The contemporary mine operator isn't totally dissimilar to the CEO/founder of a largish startup in how they approach their business. Yeah, of course writing code won't give you black lung, but you're still working for the man. The coal mine machine operator is a lot more like me than I am like Jack Dorsey.

dpc59 10y ago

https://www.iww.org/ https://www.iww.org/