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Women are promoted preferentially in large companies with HR departments that enforce affirmative action policies and produce reports detailing compliance with
by WildUtah 10y ago
Women are promoted preferentially in large companies with HR departments that enforce affirmative action policies and produce reports detailing compliance with national goals for minority participation.
That leads men to leave such companies and start their own businesses. Small companies are often more agile and innovative and far more likely to make founders and skilled employees rich.
So the programs to promote women (and underrepresented minorities) that are intended to achieve equality just promote even more unfair advantages for men. It's a common pattern: even the best designed policies need to be constantly expanded so that unfair advantages for men can be mitigated.
But no one can say that the proliferation of small innovative companies is bad for society. New innovative ideas make all our lives better, and some of that is owed to big corporate HR departments encouraging more entrepreneurship by limiting promotion opportunities for men.
- cryptarch 10y agoHow is not having the option of a stable career with promotions an unfair advantage? Women who decide they want to join a high risk, high gain startup and have the skills to do so, are free to and do just that. Men who decide they want to be treated equally have to leave their stable jobs for startups. edit: formating
- yummyfajitas 10y agoHow is men losing a career path due to discrimination and choosing to enter a different one an "unfair advantage for men"? Were the discriminatory practices that led Jews to start their own business also an "unfair advantage for the Jews"?
- amyjess 10y agoAs a Jew, I am deeply offended when MRAs appropriate my people's experiences. Please don't do that.
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- yummyfajitas 10y agoI'm curious why a historical hypothetical, used as part of a reducto ad absurdum, causes you to have negative feelings. Could you explain? Also, do you have any principle beyond "I have negative feelings" which suggests I shouldn't discuss certain human experiences? If so, what is it?
- mafribe 10y agoExactly what is the problem with men having rights?
- tptacek 10y agoI have worked in and around startups for my entire career and never once met a founder who told me that they had left their previous job because women were being promoted at it. Never even once. And I've collaborated with some politically colorful founders. Someone, I'm sure, will rebut this comment with an example of a successful founder who started their company due to oppressive affirmative action policies. But you worded your comment as if this was some kind of obvious industry norm. It is not; you should reword.
- chillingeffect 10y agoLike much repression, we are not conscious to it. When it's not validated to us by a larger movement in terms we can perceive, it's easy to convince ourselves it's not happening and it's actually a problem with ourselves. Just as the contemporary feminist movement is making excellent and impressive strides to wake us up to the reality of how men have been extraordinarily repressing women, studies like this are the first beams of light pointing out that which we could never previously put words to. Also, you mention your experience is focused in the startup world, which differs from the employment scene at large.
- tajen 10y ago> some kind of obvious industry norm. It is not; you should reword. OP's study about women being promoted 25% faster than men just means it's an industry norm to promote women. At least nowadays. I'd like to attract your attention that the world is changing, I'm happy with more equality at my workplace, and women were obviously oppressed in workplaces I've been to 10 years ago. Just, at least, not today in UK anyway.