Yes, I completely agree with you about seeing things from the church's perspective. What I intended to mean is that, post marriage, denying birth control takes

Yes, I completely agree with you about seeing things from the church's perspective. What I intended to mean is that, post marriage, denying birth control takes it out of the public conscious, and possibly the stores, as an option. I disagree that they would be saying: don't, but if you do... Because I disagree with their stance on birth control on their terms, or at least part of their terms. And believe they ought to claim that abstinence and fidelity is how christians should behave while making no claims about birth control. Specifically, I disagree with their interpretation of the passage about the man spilling his seed. It wasn't worth death because he spilled his seed, but because he deliberately deprived his brother of a child, rather than simply being infertile as other men who failed to father children were. [edited]