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You say tooling, but then talk about libraries. I think both are just as numerous for nearly all popular programming languages. It’s just that JavaScript is cur

by fuzzy2 10y ago

You say tooling, but then talk about libraries. I think both are just as numerous for nearly all popular programming languages. It’s just that JavaScript is currently “hot shit”, so all this stuff is a lot more visible. There are tons of libraries for C, many of which aim to do the same, only faster/smaller/scalable/whatever. There are many compilers, both open and closed source. And there are documentation tools, syntax checkers, unit testing frameworks and whatnot. Of course there are also languages like C# where there’s a de-facto standard for almost everything: IDE, compiler, base library, GUI framework(s). I think choice is great!

bandrami 10y ago
You say tooling, but then talk about libraries. Because, from this outsider's perspective, it seems like most of the tooling is library management (rather than, say, profiling or linting -- does javascript even have a linter? -- or debugging).
- Osiris 10y ago
  > does javascript even have a linter? -- or debugging Yes, as libraries. There are multiple linter options that can be installed with a project. Debugging is available, usually through an IDE or browser.
- fuzzy2 10y ago
  Then you haven’t seen anything yet. x) There are tons of tools, of course also including jslint, debuggers (e.g. IntelliJ, dunno about others). There are editors and even IDEs. Then there’s the problem of bringing (NPM) modules to the browser using tools like webpack or SystemJS or whatever. There are general purpose build/automation systems like gulp. There are transpilers that “compile” ES6 to ES5. For any given task, you can probably find at least five programs that do it. And if you look at all the topics, you’ll find that library management makes up only a small fraction of everything.
- flukus 10y ago
  > does javascript even have a linter? Yes, thousands of them, npm alone has 1200 results for linter: https://www.npmjs.com/search?q=linter https://www.npmjs.com/search?q=linter
- dimal 10y ago
  JSLint, JSHint, ESLint. Each of which built on the good aspects of its predecessor and evolved as new requirements came up. There are a _ton_ of tooling libraries for JavaScript. Just google "X JavaScript" for any tooling you'd expect, and you'll usually have several options. Of course, on the flip side, people will complain that there are too many options. Blah blah blah. No matter what the JS community does, people will criticize.
- Lazare 10y ago
  JS has several linters, although ESLint is the one to pick if you're looking for one.

by fuzzy2 10y ago

bandrami 10y ago

You say tooling, but then talk about libraries. Because, from this outsider's perspective, it seems like most of the tooling is library management (rather than, say, profiling or linting -- does javascript even have a linter? -- or debugging).

Osiris 10y ago
> does javascript even have a linter? -- or debugging Yes, as libraries. There are multiple linter options that can be installed with a project. Debugging is available, usually through an IDE or browser.
fuzzy2 10y ago
Then you haven’t seen anything yet. x) There are tons of tools, of course also including jslint, debuggers (e.g. IntelliJ, dunno about others). There are editors and even IDEs. Then there’s the problem of bringing (NPM) modules to the browser using tools like webpack or SystemJS or whatever. There are general purpose build/automation systems like gulp. There are transpilers that “compile” ES6 to ES5. For any given task, you can probably find at least five programs that do it. And if you look at all the topics, you’ll find that library management makes up only a small fraction of everything.
flukus 10y ago
> does javascript even have a linter? Yes, thousands of them, npm alone has 1200 results for linter: https://www.npmjs.com/search?q=linter https://www.npmjs.com/search?q=linter
dimal 10y ago
JSLint, JSHint, ESLint. Each of which built on the good aspects of its predecessor and evolved as new requirements came up. There are a _ton_ of tooling libraries for JavaScript. Just google "X JavaScript" for any tooling you'd expect, and you'll usually have several options. Of course, on the flip side, people will complain that there are too many options. Blah blah blah. No matter what the JS community does, people will criticize.
Lazare 10y ago
JS has several linters, although ESLint is the one to pick if you're looking for one.