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Users are lazy and if you don't force them to update, they won't. Then they get owned. Then they talk shit about you. Why not make the world a better place, pu

by subway 10y ago

Users are lazy and if you don't force them to update, they won't. Then they get owned. Then they talk shit about you. Why not make the world a better place, push the updates hard, and just jump to the shit talking? ;)

user5994461 10y ago
That is true for security updates which are critical and it makes sense to 'force' them. But that is not a valid excuse to force major version upgrade like win8 => win10. It has little to do with security and it forces a different environment onto the user.
- serge2k 10y ago
  > It has little to do with security It does when you start to talk about unsupported versions.
  - user5994461 10y ago
    No excuse. There are still many years of support ahead for win8. (and even win7) If you wanna talk about unsupported stuff, talk about the printer drivers that do not exist on the new OS version.
  - altstar 10y ago
    Windows 8.1 are still supported.
  - pfranz 10y ago
    It can also break compatibility. I built a PC for the first time in probably 10 years. I went with Windows 10, but most of the my stuff didn't have drivers and support. I couldn't tell if things were broken or just didn't have driver support. I cobbled together a version of Windows 7 to make sure everything worked, then moved back to Windows 10. South Park Studios still uses an image compositor called Shake. It's cross platform (OSX, Windows, Linux) and Apple stopped development in 2008, but they still use Shake to make new episodes. There's a good chance it won't run on the latest version of the operating system, but they've made a huge investment in software and hardware that works fine. Forcing and update would shut down production.
    - serge2k 10y ago
      > There's a good chance it won't run on the latest version of the operating system Why? These companies do put in work to try and maintain compatibility. > they've made a huge investment in software and hardware that works fine Sure. and that bridge over there will work fine for forever too, so lets ignore any maintenance or safety upgrades. IT Infrastructure is still infrastructure. Admittedly when you are talking about a TV show it's not exactly critical.
      - pfranz 10y ago
        The problem is that this is done on the OS vendor's terms, not the client's. Maintenance and safety upgrades aren't done to bridges on a whim. They're carefully planned to reduce the impact.
VertexRed 10y ago
What he said. + it's still possible to deactivate the updates but you have to dig a little deeper to do it.

by subway 10y ago

user5994461 10y ago

That is true for security updates which are critical and it makes sense to 'force' them. But that is not a valid excuse to force major version upgrade like win8 => win10. It has little to do with security and it forces a different environment onto the user.

serge2k 10y ago
> It has little to do with security It does when you start to talk about unsupported versions.
- user5994461 10y ago
  No excuse. There are still many years of support ahead for win8. (and even win7) If you wanna talk about unsupported stuff, talk about the printer drivers that do not exist on the new OS version.
- altstar 10y ago
  Windows 8.1 are still supported.
- pfranz 10y ago
  It can also break compatibility. I built a PC for the first time in probably 10 years. I went with Windows 10, but most of the my stuff didn't have drivers and support. I couldn't tell if things were broken or just didn't have driver support. I cobbled together a version of Windows 7 to make sure everything worked, then moved back to Windows 10. South Park Studios still uses an image compositor called Shake. It's cross platform (OSX, Windows, Linux) and Apple stopped development in 2008, but they still use Shake to make new episodes. There's a good chance it won't run on the latest version of the operating system, but they've made a huge investment in software and hardware that works fine. Forcing and update would shut down production.
  - serge2k 10y ago
    > There's a good chance it won't run on the latest version of the operating system Why? These companies do put in work to try and maintain compatibility. > they've made a huge investment in software and hardware that works fine Sure. and that bridge over there will work fine for forever too, so lets ignore any maintenance or safety upgrades. IT Infrastructure is still infrastructure. Admittedly when you are talking about a TV show it's not exactly critical.
    - pfranz 10y ago
      The problem is that this is done on the OS vendor's terms, not the client's. Maintenance and safety upgrades aren't done to bridges on a whim. They're carefully planned to reduce the impact.

VertexRed 10y ago

What he said. + it's still possible to deactivate the updates but you have to dig a little deeper to do it.