I came to the Javascript world late, starting with React. I think its tooling has gotten out of hand, but there are a couple of reasons it's not a _total_ disas

I came to the Javascript world late, starting with React. I think its tooling has gotten out of hand, but there are a couple of reasons it's not a _total_ disaster in my mind: * Partly, there are a larger number of Javascript developers that haven't been exposed to other ecosystems, and end up reinventing some wheels * More importantly though, I think the pace of innovation in the javascript ecosystem is actually good in a way, because other more mature languages (I'm not talking about age of the language, just maturity of the tooling and ecosystem) have gone through the same growing pains, it just took a lot longer. It's easy to forget, coming from the Python world for instance, the pains of easy_install and distutils vs seuptools, etc etc. I still find Java dependency management a bit of a pain, because I don't know it very well. We're just watching a sped up version of a language maturing, and it's painful as individual developers trying to keep up, but I don't think it's as negative as HN often makes it.