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Well, we abort children legally, so it is not like we have improved so much. In Spain and other countries it is legal to abort creatures that would live if take

by pipio21 10y ago

Well, we abort children legally, so it is not like we have improved so much. In Spain and other countries it is legal to abort creatures that would live if taken out of the womb. We rationalize it, because the mother will not be able to give a good life to her child or whatever. What makes us think that people from Carthage could not also rationalize with more powerful reasons than us? It was way harder to live back them than today. PS:Most of what we know of Carthage comes from their competing beliefs, like Jews, because Cartage was totally destroyed, in the same way the Jews portray a picture of Babel totally distorted.

mhurron 10y ago
> we abort children legally No we do not, that is illegal because murder is illegal. It is not a child until it is born.
- dismantlethesun 10y ago
  https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/bills/house/1337#digest-heading https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/bills/house/1337#digest-... Indiana General Assembly, House Bill 1337 > Requires physicians to provide information about perinatal hospice care to a pregnant woman who is considering an abortion because the unborn child has been diagnosed with a lethal fetal anomaly. The terminology of referring to the unborn as children has a long legal history. There's a similar history concerning how personhood is determined via paperwork: i.e. if you do not fill out the paperwork for an abortion, the unborn child is considered a person for cases of its death---such as if a pregnant woman is killed, it's considered a double homicide.
  - mercutio2 10y ago
    You're posting a link to anti-abortion propaganda from the 2016 Indiana Assembly as an argument for why those of us who strenuously disagree that fetuses deserve the legal rights of children should agree with calling fetuses children? The Indiana Assembly is certainly an authority on one thing: legislating clever ways to restrict women's right to obtain an abortion. I don't consider them authorities on much else.
    - dismantlethesun 10y ago
      Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize your 'we' only referred you personally and anyone who agreed with your conclusions. I had thought you meant a more general and inclusive 'we'.
08-15 10y ago
> Well, we abort children legally Fetuses. A fetus is not a child. I don't care about your opinion, but I do care about precise use of language.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  The language nitpicking seems like a grand way to miss the point being made and rather poetically make the exact same point at the same time.
  - mercutio2 10y ago
    Likening abortion to infanticide is akin to equating copyright violation with theft of tangible property. It's an evocative analogy, but it seems like a deliberate category error to many. Of course, I think safe inexpensive abortion is a great societal good, not a mild civil crime worthy of a hint of disapproval, so my analogy doesn't really hold up very well.
  - 08-15 10y ago
    The point being made is "I think a fetus is valuable." I get that. Duh. But even if everyone agreed, a fetus is still a different thing than a child. Believe it or not, there is hardly any disagreement about whether "abortion" of children should be legal. Saying one thing while meaning another doesn't make the point, it obscures it.

by pipio21 10y ago

mhurron 10y ago

> we abort children legally No we do not, that is illegal because murder is illegal. It is not a child until it is born.

dismantlethesun 10y ago
https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/bills/house/1337#digest-heading https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2016/bills/house/1337#digest-... Indiana General Assembly, House Bill 1337 > Requires physicians to provide information about perinatal hospice care to a pregnant woman who is considering an abortion because the unborn child has been diagnosed with a lethal fetal anomaly. The terminology of referring to the unborn as children has a long legal history. There's a similar history concerning how personhood is determined via paperwork: i.e. if you do not fill out the paperwork for an abortion, the unborn child is considered a person for cases of its death---such as if a pregnant woman is killed, it's considered a double homicide.
- mercutio2 10y ago
  You're posting a link to anti-abortion propaganda from the 2016 Indiana Assembly as an argument for why those of us who strenuously disagree that fetuses deserve the legal rights of children should agree with calling fetuses children? The Indiana Assembly is certainly an authority on one thing: legislating clever ways to restrict women's right to obtain an abortion. I don't consider them authorities on much else.
  - dismantlethesun 10y ago
    Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize your 'we' only referred you personally and anyone who agreed with your conclusions. I had thought you meant a more general and inclusive 'we'.

08-15 10y ago

> Well, we abort children legally Fetuses. A fetus is not a child. I don't care about your opinion, but I do care about precise use of language.

oldmanjay 10y ago
The language nitpicking seems like a grand way to miss the point being made and rather poetically make the exact same point at the same time.
- mercutio2 10y ago
  Likening abortion to infanticide is akin to equating copyright violation with theft of tangible property. It's an evocative analogy, but it seems like a deliberate category error to many. Of course, I think safe inexpensive abortion is a great societal good, not a mild civil crime worthy of a hint of disapproval, so my analogy doesn't really hold up very well.
- 08-15 10y ago
  The point being made is "I think a fetus is valuable." I get that. Duh. But even if everyone agreed, a fetus is still a different thing than a child. Believe it or not, there is hardly any disagreement about whether "abortion" of children should be legal. Saying one thing while meaning another doesn't make the point, it obscures it.