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His point was that you find something gratifying in the fantasy of murder and violence. If you don't find GTA to be abhorrent, then that means deep down some as

by ythl 10y ago

His point was that you find something gratifying in the fantasy of murder and violence. If you don't find GTA to be abhorrent, then that means deep down some aspect of the anarchy and violence is appealing to you.

DamnYuppie 10y ago
Assassin's Creed scares the crap out of me as I find myself enjoying, on occasion, just murdering a passerby who I happened to find annoying.
mhurron 10y ago
> deep down some aspect of the anarchy and violence is appealing to you. Or you like doing all the silly things a game lets you do. Because, you know, it's not real and you've probably realized that. I guess if you play Monopoly against Grandma and ream her a new one when she lands on your Boardwalk with a hotel on it deep down you want to be a slum lord. It couldn't possibly be as simple as you like winning games. Sometimes a cigar really is just a cigar.
- ythl 10y ago
  You should start a VR game studio and make a game about kidnapping and raping children. People like being able to do silly things. Give them points for every rape and make sure there is a win condition (people like winning games). This type of game definitely won't appeal to people that have child sex fantasies deep down - after all, it's not real (and you've probably realized that)! Come on, you can make the above case for Mario, but it's a harder sell when we are talking about Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto.
  - mhurron 10y ago
    If you are run by your morals in a completely unreal situation that has no real effects in the exact same way as you would in a real situation, you may have problems separating fantasy and reality.
    - gknoy 10y ago
      I'm not sure I agree. I think games can be a good way to explore the way you apply your morals. You can choose to be a jerk or not, be kind or be a monster -- and since the consequences don't matter, it might even be a truer test. When I recently re-played Deus Ex (Human revolution), you can choose to play the game in a pretty much pacifist way. I didn't do that, but at the same time I didn't go laying a trail of carnage through the city, killing the police, etc. The game puts you in situations where you usually have a choice about your actions -- I can sneak around (harder), I can kill the guard, I can kill the police officer, etc. I had no problem killing the mercenaries that would shoot me if they saw me, but after killing an NPC police officer (in frustration after setting off alarms), I felt compelled to do it again until I could master doing nonlethal takedowns, or knock them out with a sedative dart. I don't think this is a matter of having a problem separating fantasy and reality. Rather, it's a lens to look at our own behavior and feelings about violence. I have no problem shooting other players in the face in a game like Call of Duty or Counter-Strike (which is effectively paintball), but I get deeply disturbed at the idea of killing (or spawning + harvesting?) non-hostile NPCs in games like Minecraft or Deus Ex.
      - projektir 10y ago
        I think that's going to depend on your immersion level. Games with that degree of role-playing are fairly rare to begin with, and most people also don't get terribly immersed in them, so often that NPC you care about to them is just a number. I generally treat everything in Minecraft very mechanically, as numbers, because Minecraft just feels that way to me. But in a proper RPG, it's not so simple.
    - ythl 10y ago
      I'm arguing nothing of the sort, only that the sheer number of people enjoying and fulfilling fantasies of violence and destruction are indicative of deep instinctual human tendencies. Most people would not enjoy child rape simulator 3000 because most people do not have embedded instincts to do such things. Some people, however, may enjoy CR3000, and I would venture to guess that there is an underlying reason (i.e. pedophilia).
- hilop 10y ago
  When your metaphorical language involves violently raping your grandmother, I am not sure your cigars are just cigars.
oldmanjay 10y ago
The aspects of GTA that appeal to me aren't deep down in my psyche at all. Are you trying to insinuate that people who enjoy the game must be burying their true feelings?

by ythl 10y ago

DamnYuppie 10y ago

Assassin's Creed scares the crap out of me as I find myself enjoying, on occasion, just murdering a passerby who I happened to find annoying.

mhurron 10y ago

> deep down some aspect of the anarchy and violence is appealing to you. Or you like doing all the silly things a game lets you do. Because, you know, it's not real and you've probably realized that. I guess if you play Monopoly against Grandma and ream her a new one when she lands on your Boardwalk with a hotel on it deep down you want to be a slum lord. It couldn't possibly be as simple as you like winning games. Sometimes a cigar really is just a cigar.

ythl 10y ago
You should start a VR game studio and make a game about kidnapping and raping children. People like being able to do silly things. Give them points for every rape and make sure there is a win condition (people like winning games). This type of game definitely won't appeal to people that have child sex fantasies deep down - after all, it's not real (and you've probably realized that)! Come on, you can make the above case for Mario, but it's a harder sell when we are talking about Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto.
- mhurron 10y ago
  If you are run by your morals in a completely unreal situation that has no real effects in the exact same way as you would in a real situation, you may have problems separating fantasy and reality.
  - gknoy 10y ago
    I'm not sure I agree. I think games can be a good way to explore the way you apply your morals. You can choose to be a jerk or not, be kind or be a monster -- and since the consequences don't matter, it might even be a truer test. When I recently re-played Deus Ex (Human revolution), you can choose to play the game in a pretty much pacifist way. I didn't do that, but at the same time I didn't go laying a trail of carnage through the city, killing the police, etc. The game puts you in situations where you usually have a choice about your actions -- I can sneak around (harder), I can kill the guard, I can kill the police officer, etc. I had no problem killing the mercenaries that would shoot me if they saw me, but after killing an NPC police officer (in frustration after setting off alarms), I felt compelled to do it again until I could master doing nonlethal takedowns, or knock them out with a sedative dart. I don't think this is a matter of having a problem separating fantasy and reality. Rather, it's a lens to look at our own behavior and feelings about violence. I have no problem shooting other players in the face in a game like Call of Duty or Counter-Strike (which is effectively paintball), but I get deeply disturbed at the idea of killing (or spawning + harvesting?) non-hostile NPCs in games like Minecraft or Deus Ex.
    - projektir 10y ago
      I think that's going to depend on your immersion level. Games with that degree of role-playing are fairly rare to begin with, and most people also don't get terribly immersed in them, so often that NPC you care about to them is just a number. I generally treat everything in Minecraft very mechanically, as numbers, because Minecraft just feels that way to me. But in a proper RPG, it's not so simple.
  - ythl 10y ago
    I'm arguing nothing of the sort, only that the sheer number of people enjoying and fulfilling fantasies of violence and destruction are indicative of deep instinctual human tendencies. Most people would not enjoy child rape simulator 3000 because most people do not have embedded instincts to do such things. Some people, however, may enjoy CR3000, and I would venture to guess that there is an underlying reason (i.e. pedophilia).
hilop 10y ago
When your metaphorical language involves violently raping your grandmother, I am not sure your cigars are just cigars.

oldmanjay 10y ago

The aspects of GTA that appeal to me aren't deep down in my psyche at all. Are you trying to insinuate that people who enjoy the game must be burying their true feelings?