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One can be all in favor of liberal immigration rules, in order to attract the best & brightest, while also supporting tough preventative measures to crack down

by whack 10y ago

One can be all in favor of liberal immigration rules, in order to attract the best & brightest, while also supporting tough preventative measures to crack down on illegal immigration. One can also be in favor of liberal immigration rules, coupled together with a more progressive tax system that compensates the lower-middle class for any loss of wealth they experience. If Trump came out with a nuanced plan for immigration reform like the above, I would be mightily impressed. But it's hard to respect someone who crassly labels Mexican immigrants as "drug dealers and rapists".

blisterpeanuts 10y ago
The dozen or so Trump speeches I've heard don't criticize legal immigrants from Latin America. Could you provide a link to substantiate the claim that he is blanket labeling immigrants?
punazj 10y ago
So, Trump didn't really do that in the actual speech, as far as I can tell. He said "they're sending us" drug dealers and rapists (or the illegal immigrants are drug dealers and rapists). Which was a blatant misunderstanding of a Fusion article that said something like 80% of illegal immigrant south American women are raped by the coyotes who get them across the border. Not in his defense, he later defended his misinterpretation solidifying his lack of understanding ("well, someone's doing the raping!" is the direct quote) -- but he didn't say what is portrayed in the media, which is a racist slur of an entire country. http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-migrant-women-chasing-the-american-dream/ http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-m... An thing I've been thinking about is that having bulletproof borders would stop this type of trafficking with this human cost, so maybe it would be good to a point. But then again, allegedly the women and girls are told to bring contraception with them for the crossing, so they are aware that this is a cost of getting transported into the USA... It is a horrific situation, and I feel that the best solution is somehow helping the countries of origin, I don't think that immigration is a sustainable solution... But it's super complex to me. For the tax thing, yeah, the two approaches are: To come a bit closer to a European style socialism to close the wage gap and simultaneously accept a portion of debt from poorer countries in the form of immigrants. Or to go back toward free market, but lower the wealth disparity gap by locking out labor, which would increase the cost/wages of labor already here. The cost of the first is possibly having wealthy owners flee the country and move business elsewhere where taxes are lower. The cost of the second is a loss of cultural infusion and national pride (to an extend). As I see it.

by whack 10y ago

blisterpeanuts 10y ago

The dozen or so Trump speeches I've heard don't criticize legal immigrants from Latin America. Could you provide a link to substantiate the claim that he is blanket labeling immigrants?

punazj 10y ago

So, Trump didn't really do that in the actual speech, as far as I can tell. He said "they're sending us" drug dealers and rapists (or the illegal immigrants are drug dealers and rapists). Which was a blatant misunderstanding of a Fusion article that said something like 80% of illegal immigrant south American women are raped by the coyotes who get them across the border. Not in his defense, he later defended his misinterpretation solidifying his lack of understanding ("well, someone's doing the raping!" is the direct quote) -- but he didn't say what is portrayed in the media, which is a racist slur of an entire country. http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-migrant-women-chasing-the-american-dream/ http://fusion.net/story/17321/is-rape-the-price-to-pay-for-m... An thing I've been thinking about is that having bulletproof borders would stop this type of trafficking with this human cost, so maybe it would be good to a point. But then again, allegedly the women and girls are told to bring contraception with them for the crossing, so they are aware that this is a cost of getting transported into the USA... It is a horrific situation, and I feel that the best solution is somehow helping the countries of origin, I don't think that immigration is a sustainable solution... But it's super complex to me. For the tax thing, yeah, the two approaches are: To come a bit closer to a European style socialism to close the wage gap and simultaneously accept a portion of debt from poorer countries in the form of immigrants. Or to go back toward free market, but lower the wealth disparity gap by locking out labor, which would increase the cost/wages of labor already here. The cost of the first is possibly having wealthy owners flee the country and move business elsewhere where taxes are lower. The cost of the second is a loss of cultural infusion and national pride (to an extend). As I see it.