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Wow, 20 square meters for €480? That doesn't register as affordable on my books (even with utilities included).
by hellofunk 10y ago
Wow, 20 square meters for €480? That doesn't register as affordable on my books (even with utilities included).
- jorgemf 10y agoIt is affordable compare to London where the same thing it is probably 3 times more expensive. There are other cities with more affordable prices (Athens) but obviously the startup environment is not the same there. But Berlin it is catching up with London, so it is worth to consider.
- scaryclam 10y agoI've actually just moved offices in London, so I can say that it actually isn't much different. There's plenty of offices that are very comparable to that price.
- jorgemf 10y agoShe is talking about the price of a room, not office space.
- scaryclam 10y agoAh, my mistake. Though her estimate of £1300 is still a lot more than she'd actually have to pay. My room is in a central location and costs around £670pcm with bills. It's a pretty reasonable place, it's just not 5 minutes from a tube station, which is where they'll get you on the price.
- jorgemf 10y agoI lived in London, zone 1 is not 670 for sure.
- scrollaway 10y agoYeah. If you're shooting for affordability, Athens is a much better bet. 20sqm studios below €100/month in the heart of the capital. (Good luck getting decent internet, though.)
- icebraining 10y agoThere's Lisbon, as a middle point. 300-400€/m for a 60m² and you can get a 1Gbps/100mbps connection to your home.
- uola 10y agoFrom what I've heard Lisbon is about the same cost as Berlin. But the economy is worse, the tax system seems more complex and it's less accessible to foreigners. I guess the weather is nicer, but the location is worse. To legitimately compete with Berlin I think one really has to offer something special, otherwise Berlin wins by default in the low-medium cost category. Lisbon would still be on my shortlist for European bootstrap cities, but there are also at least half a dozen other cities that could be equivalent.
- regularjack 10y agoWhy do you say it's less accessible to foreigners?
- uola 10y agoFor people to choose something it first have to be a realistic option. Berlin is much more established as an international and "tech" city. You hear about people moving there all the time. For whatever problem you'll face there's bound to be someone else who has done it. When it comes to moving you don't want to be a pioneer and spend thousands of euros finding out if it's doable and ending up not liking it. Being in the same boat as other people helps with that uncertainty.
- thr234234 10y agoInternet is just fine here.
- matt4077 10y agoPrices are obviously catching up. My 6-year old lease is about as much for 60m^2 (turn-of-the-century building in the center). But I fear the day when I need more space for children...
- romanovcode 10y agoAverage price of 60m^2 in not-so-shit area is about 700+ nowadays and keeps rising every year.
- raverbashing 10y agoOh don't look at Dublin prices then. Or Paris. Or even Frankfurt or Sweden.
- soft_dev_person 10y agoI like how you just appended an entire country to that list of cities =)
- raverbashing 10y agoAh I was thinking of Stockholm :)
- elcapitan 10y agoIt depends on where you are looking, I'm paying that for 60sqm in Berlin. It's a 7 year old rent contract though, may be more in the same area now.
- hellofunk 10y agoWell property values in Berlin have risen 40+% in 7 years, so I'd expect rent to follow suit.
- hawski 10y agoFrom what I could quickly find [1] there is nothing more expensive than London in Europe. And there is not a lot that is significantly cheaper than Berlin. At least in case of office space rent in major cities. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/431672/commercial-property-prime-rents-europe/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/431672/commercial-proper...
- neukoelln 10y agoIt's also very overpriced. I just moved into a new apartment and I am paying 9€/sqm cold in a very central location. This is very cheap. 11-14€ is more realistic, but even with utilities included you would never have to pay 24€/sqm.
- crucialfelix 10y agoThat's extremely expensive for Berlin. 24 per Meter. 8 to 12 is considered expensive. 6 was the old standard. I pay 15 but I have top floor with balcony and skylights